Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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muon said:
You know you want to say it. It's Fauci. Lot's of people like you already are.

Feel free to make a proper response to the article below. One random guy tweeted something and now you think it is genuine.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...are-no-us-run-biolabs-ukraine-contrary-socia/
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Again, it wasn't a claim I made, I said it was something I was looking into along with many other things.

"people like you" is troubling language. You've seen something posted and tried to categorise me, 'if he's saying X he must Y'. This is a mistake, it's like the whole covid thing, anyone who asked a question was labelled an 'anti-vaxxer', diminish and dismiss.

We are so easily divided and the message seems to be anyone who isn't toeing the party line is the enemy. Just have a think about that mentality and where that road leads.

Eyes open.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Again, it wasn't a claim I made, I said it was something I was looking into along with many other things.

"people like you" is troubling language. You've seen something posted and tried to categorise me, 'if he's saying X he must Y'. This is a mistake, it's like the whole covid thing, anyone who asked a question was labelled an 'anti-vaxxer', diminish and dismiss.

We are so easily divided and the message seems to be anyone who isn't toeing the party line is the enemy. Just have a think about that mentality and where that road leads.

Eyes open.
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Asking stupid questions gets stupid answers
 
LCG-xyz said:
Again, it wasn't a claim I made, I said it was something I was looking into along with many other things.

"people like you" is troubling language. You've seen something posted and tried to categorise me, 'if he's saying X he must Y'. This is a mistake, it's like the whole covid thing, anyone who asked a question was labelled an 'anti-vaxxer', diminish and dismiss.

We are so easily divided and the message seems to be anyone who isn't toeing the party line is the enemy. Just have a think about that mentality and where that road leads.

Eyes open.
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I'm still struggling to see your logic tbh. Can you explain a bit more?
 
Grim5 said:
Asking questions gets stupid answers
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FTFY

It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers in here.

*asks questions...

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Semple said:
It's almost amusing some of the stuff they come up with. Also embarrassing how part of the Russian population are believing it.
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Its state TV and state propaganda and people believe it. Boris says you have to stay at home people stay at home, Boris says we're finished with covid people believe its all over despite 45k infections and 100+ deaths a day on average. Sure Boris's propaganda is not as all emcompassing nor so obsessed with letting in any other narratives from elsewhere but people believe what served up in front of them on TV. People are dumb happy to let other people think for them.
 
Diddums said:
I'm trying to understand your logic. Like I said before, can you explain your viewpoints a bit more? I'm genuinely interested.
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Can you be more specific in your question? It was too broad to answer the first time and remains so.

Edit: logging off now. Just go through my posts in this thread.

It feels like propaganda from the media, why this, why now? What motives are at play behind the scenes? Who benefits? Who loses? What's the history behind all this? Are we currently or have we previously been guilty of anything similar? Are there worse things happening right now in the world? Why aren't we being told to care about those things?

Why this?

Why now?
 
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Blackjack Davy said:
Its state TV and state propaganda and people believe it. Boris says you have to stay at home people stay at home, Boris says we're finished with covid people believe its all over despite 45k infections and 100+ deaths a day on average. Sure Boris's propaganda is not as all emcompassing nor so obsessed with letting in any other narratives from elsewhere but people believe what served up in front of them on TV. People are dumb happy to let other people think for them.
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I assume you're one of the others being vilified in this thread. The acid test is yet to come, I don't know how we can remove all restrictions when the vaccines have been proven to provide weak protection at best, especially when there are no early treatment protocols in place. They exist, we just don't use them. It's ridiculous.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Can you be more specific in your question? It was too broad to answer the first time and remains so.
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This:

Diddums said:
I'm confused. The first sentence in that post says this:
I mean, it's pretty much irrelevant to this topic but still - how do you make this a point worth discussing?
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LCG-xyz said:
I'm still looking for sources you'll happily accept, in the meantime here's the US embassy in the Ukraine outlining some programs and upgrading labs to bio level 2

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/ky...n-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
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Diddums said:
This:



Relating to this post:
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I saw an appeal to the UN about theses facilities from China and Russia, naturally they're a cause for concern so I thought I'd try and dig and see if I could find any information about these supposed labs, I found a credible link that at least established a connection between the US and the Ukraine in relation to bio labs. That was something at least, sadly I've run out of day to investigate further.

I'm not sure there's much more to tell, I have no bias or agenda in relation to any of this. Something smells funky so I'm digging.
 
Uther said:
Sky:
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has condemned "silence" in the West as Russia said its strikes on Ukraine's defence industry would continue.
In a video message, Mr Zelenskyy called Russian attacks "deliberate murder" due to the "hundreds of thousands" who live nearby.
He condemned the West for their "silence" on the Russian Defence Ministry's announcement it would strike Ukraine's military-industrial complex, saying it is "as if Western leaders have dissolved".
Jokester said:
To be honest, he might do well not to bite the hand that feeds him.
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He could have simply have surrended when it was obvious that they didn't have a realistic chance of winning or even holding out against russia and avoided all the deaths himself. But decides to fight anyway and is angry when his neighbours don't want to join in and widen it further.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
He could have simply have surrended when it was obvious that they didn't have a realistic chance of winning or even holding out against russia and avoided all the deaths himself. But decides to fight anyway and is angry when his neighbours don't want to join in and widen it further.
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If everyone did that any time someone threatened them - Putin, or someone as bad or worse, would rule the world with an oppressive regime by now.
 
Harlequin said:
Was that before or after the Russians removed most of the native population and replaced them with their own? Stop being a far right putin lover
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Wouldn't be surprised if thats not Putin's plan get rid of the ungrateful ukrainians are who aren't welcoming all the russians liberating them from their nazi jewish overlords and replace them all with ethnic russians. Actually funnily enough thats pretty much what he promised today if you don't stop resisting you'll cease to exist as a nationality/state/country.

NickK said:
Ukraine with drew the control of Crimea, the day after Russia took control. That wasn't so much an invasion.

The south east Ukraine has a high Russian speaking and Russian identifying population. The western Ukrainian population speaks Ukrainian and identifies as Ukrainian.

In short they're not going give an area to a different nation simply because 60+% talk a different language and identify with a different nation - if that was the case the UK would cease to exist, the Basque/Catalan vs Spain, Brittany vs France, and there's a whole list of similar splits around the world.

Nobody trusted Putin if a minor split of those areas occurred as Putin just wants it all..
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Ok firstly Kharkiv is a russian speaking city and russia was bombing the snot out of it and they can't understand why russia is doing this to them, to "protect" them, protect them from who? Secondly as someone was saying on a phone in on the radio this afternoon who has family in ukraine said whether they speak ukrainian or russian predominently, they're all Ukranian. And not Russian.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Nah, I'm pretty anti-Russia too, obviously not the people, I support the citizens of all nations. All I'm saying is don't accept what's on the spoon, Zelly is no angel despite being portrayed as the latest, hottest celebrity in town. This all goes a lot deeper than it appears on the surface, it's not black and white.

Other things I'm trying to verify is whether US biolabs are a factor, there documentation from China and Russia asking the UN to looking into it. I've seen the discord in Ukraine where a lot of people want to remain Russian, Russia never stopped seeing the Ukraine as part of it's territory, much like China and Taiwan.

All theses things are complicated, too complicated for most people to even look into. Most people just skim the headlines and form an opinion.

I don't claim to have the answers but I'm trying make things less black and white at least.
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Ok look. Since you seem to be naive I'll try and explain things to you. It works like this. You read the news, you watch the news, you make up your own mind. This is not the X-files you are not Mulder or Scully there is no "truth" to be uncovered by digging thru wikipedia or endless conspiracy theory blogs or FB blogs. It is what it is and it is what you see. You're wasting your time diving down rabbit holes of CT nonsense or thinking you know the "real" facts or the "real" truth because you don't. There are professional military types and presidents and prime ministers with all the intelligence info at their fingertips and even they don't have all the answers. They just don't the world doesn't work like that this isn't The Matrix. Ok?
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Cute. Its simply a fact he wants to widen the war when it obvious that NATO nor anyone else was going to come to his aid directly because ukraine is not a NATO member. In other words he's trying to force NATO's hand. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
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Look we all know this and what we don't need right now is a world war in Europe with all the NATO countries and allies, but to surrender the minute a bully comes knocking on your border is just madness. What stops them coming in and just lining up every civilian and shooting them all and ohh yes don't forget the free gas showers and the free BBQ they will all be invited to too. Come on stop it.. We all know that no country on earth would surrender in this manner to a mad man that will commit genocide on the people he invades. All this happening while the bully says come help them and we will nuke you..

Also he is doing what he can for his people and our leaders would be doing the exact same things at the time, do you believe they would sit there and say don't help us and watch us all die because we fear a world war while their life has become a none stop war.:confused:


Will you also surrender if they come to invade us too with the same excuse ?
 
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