They never turned up to fit my smart meter

It's really no hardship for me to read my meters every month and submit the readings via the app. It's pure marketing and scaremongering BS in many industries that certain tasks are chores which can be avoided and save time if you do this or get that when really it isn't.

Also getting a smart meter means I could get cheaper electric between 00:30 and 04:30. Oh great let's get the washer on and do the hoovering. :D
 
Please can someone knowledgeable answer me this:

We're all electric and have E7 for water and heating. We don't have an EV and won't be running the washing machine or tumble drier at night.

Is it worth us getting a smart meter? If so, please explain why. Thanks.

If you had a sm now then you'd have access to your daily and your over night usage. You can see this data over time. Then you can make an informed decision on moving to a different supplier that offers cheaper overnight rates.
 
It's really no hardship for me to read my meters every month and submit the readings via the app. It's pure marketing and scaremongering BS in many industries that certain tasks are chores which can be avoided and save time if you do this or get that when really it isn't.

Also getting a smart meter means I could get cheaper electric between 00:30 and 04:30. Oh great let's get the washer on and do the hoovering. :D

What benefit is your old meter? Because it would have to be pretty compelling?
 
I have a version 1 SM and my current provide won’t upgrade it. It doesn’t work with them so sitting in my meter box doing nothing.
Is there a plan to upgrade these dumb smart meters? My supplier (eon next) are just telling me they can’t do anything.
 
Yes, there's no downside to a SM and several benefits. I really can't comprehend why people are so anti.

Guarantee if there wasn't a target date set by the government to have one, and that instead of being free you needed to opt in and pay for it, all the people who don't one one would be up in arms about missing out on savings, and why should they have to pay.
 
I'm scheduled to get a smart meter fitted early next month. The guy went straight into his speil without giving any chance for me to say no its pointless but i thought I'll get it installed and see the non benefits for myself. Taken from the EDF website Benefit 1. See you usage in real time......I know how much i use on a month to month basis so no benefit. 2. Hassle free..... is it a hassle to take a meter reading once a month? No. 3. Low carbon lifestyle....understanding where your energy goes to think about my carbon footprint and living sustainably ......buzzword nonsense.

When i moved into my current house i was offered additional roof insulation i took it and my bills were reduced. No smart meters back then though. :o
 
Theres defiantly an important step or two missing in the "smart meters = lower bills" message

Smart meters = knowing your usage = understanding what changes you can make = lower bills if you want to/can make those changes
 
Yes, there's no downside to a SM and several benefits. I really can't comprehend why people are so anti.

The downside is that as we move to an all electric future, we do not have the capacity to cope with high demand peaks.
Instead of creating that capacity, once everyone is on a smart meter( a gimmicky name for a half hour meter) then peak useage will be priced out of the market & Triad/TNUoS charges may become applicable to domestic customers.......

What are Triads?
Triads are the top three half-hourly peaks of national energy demand across the grid, separated by ten clear calendar days, over the most energy intensive period of the year: November to February. National Grid confirms these peaks after the season, at the end of March.

Typically, triads occur when high business demand meets the domestic mid/late afternoon tea-time period, causing an overall spike in energy use.

How Triads impact your energy bill
To manage the huge demand on the network during the triad periods, the National Grid imposes a Transmissions Network Use of System (TNUoS) charge. This is used to finance the maintenance of the UK’s electricity grid to ensure future supply. Impacting customers with half-hourly meters, the charge is proportional to a business’ energy use over the triad periods (the three half hours of highest demand) and is linked to their location. If a business doesn’t consume electricity in the three Triad periods, they don’t pay HH (half-hourly) TNUoS charges for the entire financial year.

As standard, we include a charge for 85% of your maximum demand figure for TNUoS on our customer bills. After the final triads are announced, we issue the March invoices to show the triad periods and make any reconciliations.

The Triad challenge
To mitigate against Triad costs, companies and suppliers work hard to predict when they’ll be so they can turn down or off their energy usage during those periods. Due to the increasing use of Triad avoidance schemes as well as flexibility solutions, such as Demand Side Response and the growing use of renewables, they are getting harder to predict.


........... Now this is all fine & dandy for the likes of myself & John Smith, who are fortunate enough to be able to afford renewables & batteries to mitigate or even take advantage of this developing situation, but 99% of our population will not be able to afford the investment or it's even practicle to put PV/batteries etc in.

This situation may change & the gov may more incentivise this change or may have to fully finance PV & batteries for everyone or the future market may make them cheaper, but I bet they will just let the less well off have to change their lifestyle so they don't use electricity at peak times, unless they can afford it.

So in the future, when gas boilers are banned & we all have Electric heating, there's going to be some cold people at 5pm when they come home from work.
 
to be able to afford renewables & batteries to mitigate or even take advantage of this developing situation, but 99% of our population will not be able to afford the investment or it's even practicle to put PV/batteries etc in.

You lost any credibility by making that 99% non-sense up. Next you'll say 99% of the population can't afford a car, or a mobile phone.

"According to the UK government’s 2020 report, there are roughly 970,000 UK homes with solar panel installations. This means only 3.3% of the 29 million homes in the UK are generating electricity from solar panels – in other words, there’s definitely room for improvement here."

Currently installers can now not keep up with demand, and this is only going to increase as more people become aware of the benefits, not just the environmental ones either.
 
It won’t be as complex as that.

the tariffs will all move to time of day and expect a hike in price for the peak and cheaper in the evening.

equally expect flat rates to be higher to offset the peak usage and lack of off peak usage. With an added % to encourage people to move to “time of day”
 
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99, 95, 90, even 75%, it's the vast majority.
Fine if you want to focus on that. Your missing the point I'm making.

A huge proportion of the house "owning" population can afford it if they chose to, lack of education and low energy bills meant people just didn't give a stuff if they had it or not, only when it hurts people in the purse/wallet do they care to take notice. So no, you've missed the point. More and more people will be generating there own energy and some will be storing it, and as more cars become BEV's and the V2H and V2G options become mainstream then I think you'll find that will go up even further.

The future of energy and energy billing isn't as bleak as YOU want it to be, just like the naysayers about home computers, and mobile phones and all the other things that we now have at super low cost. Heck mow many people could afford a car back in the 1960's, now you see homes with 3, 4 and 5 cars on one drive.
 
A huge proportion of the house "owning" population can afford it if they chose to, lack of education and low energy bills meant people just didn't give a stuff if they had it or not, only when it hurts people in the purse/wallet do they care to take notice. So no, you've missed the point. More and more people will be generating there own energy and some will be storing it, and as more cars become BEV's and the V2H and V2G options become mainstream then I think you'll find that will go up even further.

The future of energy and energy billing isn't as bleak as YOU want it to be, just like the naysayers about home computers, and mobile phones and all the other things that we now have at super low cost. Heck mow many people could afford a car back in the 1960's, now you see homes with 3, 4 and 5 cars on one drive.

I don't want the future to be bleak. I'm pointing out the downsides to the population having smart meters.
I'm all for a green future, love renewables & the move to a carbon free environment. I make 1.5 mill KWh of green electric a year!
I just see the pitfalls for the less well off in the transition to this.
 
I don't want the future to be bleak. I'm pointing out the downsides to the population having smart meters.
I'm all for a green future, love renewables & the move to a carbon free environment. I make 1.5 mill KWh of green electric a year!
I just see the pitfalls for the less well off in the transition to this.

So, what’s the solution?

This seems like the most sensible route to encourage the required transition. It’s not perfect, but it is something.
 
IMO smart meters will be the next water meters.
Early on with water meters people were all negative, bah I want to run the tap for hours and it will cost more type stuff. Over time its become clear for most that unless they abuse water its better to pay for what you use.
Everyone paying attention helps to drive down consumption, which avoids more infrastructure being needed for everyone abusing it.

So I see elec/gas smart meters as being the same. Paying for what you use when will be better for many. Real time pricing should help to pull down the big peak. People will adapt and evolve their patterns, making better use of cheap energy. Such as doing a nice slow cook over night then a microwave heat when they need it.
I think you will see the water equivalent of no meter being the elec/gas equivalent of not paying for time delimited usage, sure if you really want to have fixed unit pricing you can, but its going to cost you more than if you go smart and have variable, unless your vast majority of usage is during the very narrow window when the pricing will be at its absolute highest. IE not penalising the majority for the selfish minority.

I believe that sooner or later everyone will get a smart meter anyway, since all meters have to be replaced within a certain lifetime, so they will not fit another dumb meter (for dumb users ;) ) at that point.
 
I think my chips will be a bit crispy if I leave them in the oven overnight :p

We're all going to get them that's a given but it won't necessarily be a benefit to the consumer. Surge pricing at the moment may encourage through the reward of cheaper pricing but that could change to a punish strategy instead. The overnight pricing goes up to our standard rate and peaks are priced well above. Many things start cheaper to encourage early adopters but then the costs increase as more people come on board.

If the messaging around them was clearer, in that a smart meter will do nothing by itself to reduce your energy usage but will make you aware of it then people might be more trusting.
 
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no it does not.

We have a smart meter and our energy supplier asks for readings.

Then its not functioning as smart

When I asked BG for one they asked me how often I wanted it to send readings
30 mins recommended, hourly, or something longer, 6 hourly I think it was
I went for 30 mins as I will be able to see the 30 min readings online via their web portal
 
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