Pandemic 2.0?

I read it and remain in agreement with all honest medics, the hedonistic lifestyle of homosexual men is spreading this in a rampant manner, and attempts to label such a suggestion as unfair or none PC are ridiculous. As is the surreptitious move to no longer call it Monkey Pox, in case the professionally offended make their usual kerfuffle.
 
I’ve read three articles about people having caught this yesterday and all three were almost identical in circumstances. Where gay men having sex with multiple partners over a short span of time coming away infected.

What I did find odd was the casualness or normalisation of having unprotected sex with multiple partners inc random people. That’s just a bit gross, I don’t think it’s normal for straight people to behave like that. Perhaps it is and we just call them slags but there seems to be a negative perception of people like that.
 
Craterloads said:
I’ve read three articles about people having caught this yesterday and all three were almost identical in circumstances. Where gay men having sex with multiple partners over a short span of time coming away infected.

What I did find odd was the casualness or normalisation of having unprotected sex with multiple partners inc random people. That’s just a bit gross, I don’t think it’s normal for straight people to behave like that. Perhaps it is and we just call them slags but there seems to be a negative perception of people like that.
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Sadly there days you're not allowed to point out that people's lifestyle choices are utterly moronic.
Unfortunately as a society we have chosen to bypass evolution and actively let those who would fail to pass on their moronic genes do so. In fact in some cases they're elevated upon a pedestal.

Just look at shows like TOWIE.
 
AP tweeted the following and sure enough, the rainbow crew are in the comments and quote tweets kicking off about it, check out the ratio:

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This is like Covid all over again where people cling to stuff on the basis that "there is no evidence that..." and just defy common sense. Remember the old there is no evidence that masks work, there is no evidence that Covid is airborne etc..

It's so dumb, yet more naive empiricism and a naff attitude towards risk, I don't think they do know for sure that it's not sexually transmitted, most of the cases have detectable levels of it in their semen. People are falling for the old absence of evidence -> evidence of absence fallacy all over again.

But even supposing it isn't an STD in the classic sense it does seem like gay sex is a high risk activity that causes transmission of it, there have been hetero people shagging in Greek and Spanish resorts all summer yet hardly any women are catching it (yet).

It's overwhelmingly (as in 98%) gay and bisexual men who are catching it, not just any gay or bisexual men but rather very promiscuous gays and bisexuals to the point where nearly half of them have already managed to get themselves infected with HIV too...

www.dw.com

Monkeypox: Close contact is enough

Experts still don't fully know how monkeypox spreads. Close contact and sex may play a role. But vaccines could slow the spread of the virus.
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Research published July 21, 2022, in the New England Journal of Medicine shows 98% of cases have been detected in men who have sex with men.

But messaging about who is most at risk of contracting monkeypox isn't the only thing that scientists and public health experts are unsure about.

Experts still don't know exactly how monkeypox is transmitted.

The New England Journal of Medicine study, which analyzed the samples of over 520 infections across 16 countries from April to June 2022, indicates that in 95% of cases, the virus was spread through "sexual activity."

But the authors say that "there is no clear evidence of sexual transmission through seminal or vaginal fluids" and that transmission is only proven to occur through large respiratory droplets, close or direct contact with skin lesions and "possibly through contaminated fomites." Fomites are things like cloths and kitchen utensils that may carry a virus.

What we know for sure: The virus is spread through very close contact between two people. This can involve cuddling and kissing as well as genital contact.

"Monkeypox is almost certainly sexually transmitted," said Paul Hunter, a professor of health protection at the Norwich Medical School in the UK.

"But my uneasiness about labeling it as a [sexually transmitted infection] is that for most [STIs] wearing a condom or avoiding penetration or direct oral-anal/oral-genital contact is a good way of preventing transmission. But for monkeypox, even just naked cuddling is a big risk."
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This issue from a public health perspective isn't that it's not likely sexually transmitted, it quite likely is and/or at least that sort of sexual contact is very high risk for transmission but rather that they don't want people to think that simply wearing a condom will protect against it.

It might well still be contained but it seems like we're being rather silly with the response, they probably ought to be clearer about the risks here and maybe take action re: certain venues - shut them down and provide the businesses with some financial support.
 
"Men who have sex with men"? There must be dozens of specious quangos making up this linguistically convoluted rubbish when adequately descriptive single words exist for these super spreaders.

As an aside I see the World Health Organisation have given a prominent position to a Communist Party supporting British professor, China will be sending more brown envleopes no doubt.
 
Chris Wilson said:
"Men who have sex with men"?
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for aids needle sharing became a significant communication method, not male homosexual related, and, from SciAm article anal tissue is next on the scale of permeable body tissues,
so men who have sex with men, itself, seems a euphemism.
 
dowie said:
People are falling for the old absence of evidence -> evidence of absence fallacy all over again.
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It is interesting how people will cling to shreds of other explanations when they don't want something to be the reason - even when it means wading through an entire article which conclusively debunks their belief to get to the one snippet of information that seems to support what they want to believe (if taken superficially or out of context).
 
Rroff said:
It is interesting how people will cling to shreds of other explanations when they don't want something to be the reason - even when it means wading through an entire article which conclusively debunks their belief to get to the one snippet of information that seems to support what they want to believe (if taken superficially or out of context).
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It's not really clear what you're trying to say there, though I'm not sure many pushing the not an STD line hard on social media has paid much attention to the details.
 
CDC details show pretty clearly how it's transmitted.

I'm still a little confused by the use of the term "men who have sex with men". What was wrong with just gay men? Then again the same site uses the term pregnant people.
 
Craterloads said:
I’ve read three articles about people having caught this yesterday and all three were almost identical in circumstances. Where gay men having sex with multiple partners over a short span of time coming away infected.

What I did find odd was the casualness or normalisation of having unprotected sex with multiple partners inc random people. That’s just a bit gross, I don’t think it’s normal for straight people to behave like that. Perhaps it is and we just call them slags but there seems to be a negative perception of people like that.
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In my youth I was far more hedonistic / bohemian with my sexual behaviours and was very carefree (heterosexual). I Got away with it. However the more people do it the more chances there will be of something going wrong.
So your point is fair but I don't think it's fair to say that non gay people don't sleep around a lot with multiple partners without protection. I think the "slagginess" of society has changed since then people are a little more careful or at least less promiscuous than they were? However it's still there. And perhaps gay people are having their sexual revolution at the moment? Not sure.
 
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Zatoichi.uK said:
CDC details show pretty clearly how it's transmitted.

I'm still a little confused by the use of the term "men who have sex with men". What was wrong with just gay men? Then again the same site uses the term pregnant people.
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Because in America you can't even call a black person "black".
 
And on the subject of walking on verbal eggshells the venerable Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists have a draft consultation paper out recommending that women pretending to men, (but having a baby), are not subject to the distressing term "breast feeding" but the much more macho "chest feeding".

People are actually being paid and encouraged to write and publish this drivel .
 
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