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Jenson wants higher margins for his GPU's, here is how he's going to do it.

Nexus18 said:
Out of interest.... for those who don't want a monopoly and believe in supporting the "peoples champion" when it comes to companies, I presume yous also don't buy anything from amazon either then?
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Yes there's 9.7 million 3rd party sellers on Amazon. Many of them are just ordinary people trying to make ends meet.
 
Angilion said:
Why is anyone pretending this is about irrational loyalty to AMD? The OP was clearly referring to nvidia because it was about a statement from nvidia about nvidia's plans. That has nothing to do with AMD. The OP didn't even mention AMD. Pretending it's about AMD is a false narrative.

The graphics card market is mainly about nvidia because nvidia dominate that market. It's not quite a monopoly, but it's close to one. Which is a large part of the problem. Although a duopoly, if one existed, would be little different because AMD isn't fundamentally different to nvidia. Neither company gives a rat's arse about PC gaming or about their customers other than other large companies and even then they only actually care about the money. Company X buying £10M of product matters. Joe Bloggs with £400 to spend doesn't. Large businesses are not your friends. They don't care about you.

If nvidia offer a product I consider worth the price I will buy it. If AMD offer a product I consider worth the price I will buy it. If Intel offer a product I consider worth the price I will buy it. If some other company offers a product I consider worth the price I will buy it. None of those companies care about me. I don't care about any of those companies. None of those companies have any loyalty to me. I don't have any loyalty to those companies. I don't care what companies are currently fashionable.

I'm in a fortunate position financially. I could pay £3K for a graphics card and not care. But I won't. I'm buying indie games for £5-£15 apiece and enjoying them on my now rather archaic PC, which runs them well enough. I'm spending a lot more on books than I am on PC gaming. I've cut my hours at work to have more life.

I might buy a new PC for gaming. Or I might not. If I do, it will be no more than £1K. Not because I can't afford it but because I'm not interested in maintaining the profit margins of companies that don't care if I live or die. If consoles properly supported mouse and keyboard I'd buy a console instead. They're far better value for money. If I die with money in the bank, I'm not going to care because I'll be dead. It's not like I have to spend everything I have.
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Fair statement but as touched upon throughout the thread, you have to understand why nvidia have such a huge margin of the market (it hasn't simply happened because of "shady" practices or "mindshare" that many would like us to believe....) and as a result you have to look at their competition and what they are doing before making statements such as this in the OP:

Intel are no different to Nvidia, they are not going to save us, we have to save ourselves, the power is with us collectivity, always has been, we have the power to put a stop to all this, its about time we used it.
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What exactly does that mean?

- stop buying nvidia hardware just because they have more market share and to only buy amd even if they don't offer a product as good for ones needs/wants? Personally I'm not going to support a company "if" they have a lesser product, I enjoy gaming thus I want to buy what is best for my needs, be that nvidia or amd, I don't care (have owned far more amd hardware than both intel and nvidia combined)

- move to console, in which case, PC market becomes even more of an enthusiast and niche platform thus prices go up further, which also in return means developers won't see the point of optimising for PC or/and pull out of the market entirely
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Nvidia haven’t even released the cards and people are already attacking them and how their plans are about world domination
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What were your thoughts on RDNA 2 and ampere pricing on launch? Using these cards as they are the most popular recently as per gibbos posts.

3080 - £650
6800xt - £600

3070 - £450
6800 - £530
6700xt - £420

Do you think RDNA 3 is going to be significantly cheaper than 40xx? Or do you think amd will price in the same bracket as they have done for the last few gens now? Maybe AMD should price at least £100-150 cheaper than nvidia to save the pc desktop gpu market?
 
Nexus18 said:
Fixed :)



What were your thoughts on RDNA 2 and ampere pricing on launch? Using these cards as they are the most popular recently as per gibbos posts.

3080 - £650
6800xt - £600

3070 - £450
6800 - £530
6700xt - £420

Do you think RDNA 3 is going to be significantly cheaper than 40xx? Or do you think amd will price in the same bracket as they have done for the last few gens now? Maybe AMD should price at least £100-150 cheaper than nvidia to save the pc desktop gpu market?
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Honestly, I think AMD should undercut like this. I think this gen will be price driven more then performance driven. So many factors in play this time to make overall cost of gaming important. Energy costs being a big one but also literally everything is increasing in price, people are just more aware now of the potential impact these increases could have to us as individuals.
 
dazzlaa said:
Honestly, I think AMD should undercut like this. I think this gen will be price driven more then performance driven. So many factors in play this time to make overall cost of gaming important. Energy costs being a big one but also literally everything is increasing in price, people are just more aware now of the potential impact these increases could have to us as individuals.
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If they can't match/beat nvidia "overall" then they have to go down this path, it is what made them stick out back in the 48xx, 78xx, 290 etc. days (of which I owned all them) but then they decided they should also be charging the same as the competition even though they weren't offering the same "package", that and back in the good days, they offered some killer game bundles (3-4 triple a good games) to make their gpus even more attractive.
 
I understand it's business, capitalism, free world etc. But Jenson didn't give the gamers a second thought at the peak of the mining boom and he's not throwing you a bone to apologise now. Truly psychotic stuff! - no thanks Jenson!
 
Nexus18 said:
What were your thoughts on RDNA 2 and ampere pricing on launch? Using these cards as they are the most popular recently as per gibbos posts.

3080 - £650
6800xt - £600

3070 - £450
6800 - £530
6700xt - £420

Do you think RDNA 3 is going to be significantly cheaper than 40xx? Or do you think amd will price in the same bracket as they have done for the last few gens now? Maybe AMD should price at least £100-150 cheaper than nvidia to save the pc desktop gpu market?
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I want Nvidia to be cheaper, so i can buy cheap AMD cards:cry:
 
Name said:
I understand it's business, capitalism, free world etc. But Jenson didn't give the gamers a second thought at the peak of the mining boom and he's not throwing you a bone to apologise now. Truly psychotic stuff! - no thanks Jenson!
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GPU's go to anyone that wants one.
 
XeNoNF50 said:
That RX 6000 series share of hardware is surprising. There was a good 18 months where people would have bought any of their GPUs if they produced them in enough volume to give people the opportunity to buy them.
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AMD lost a truckload of money by giving their chips to consoles basically for free. They must have a deep regret over that decision and I wonder if they will repeat the same mistake again.
 
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