Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Hagar said:
Interesting interview on R4 just now. Russian contributor turns everything on its head. Russia is defending Ukraine from the UK and the US, Truss and Biden are the aggressors. Etc., etc.
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sergev markov !
most extrememe rhetoric - ukrainians slave soldiers being used by west for a proxy war, Ukrainians are our brothers.
 
Mr Jack said:
He's not going to nuke the Donbass, if he does it he'll target areas that Ukraine holds. Full lunatic mode, he'll nuke Kyiv.
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Point is.. He wants all of Ukraine, He wasn't going to stop at the Donbass, or Kherson, it was only the fact that Ukraine stopped him. Hence nuking any of Ukraine seems rather off the cards given he wants the place. Maybe an attempt at a last-ditch, scorched earth before hurling himself out of a hospital window while shooting himself in the back of the head.
But in that kind of situation, I really have my doubts that in the "chain of command" between him demanding it and the person responsible actually pushing the button, that the order would be obeyed / relayed.
The entire Russian regime grew up under the MAD doctrine, they know full well what would likely happen if nuclear weapons are used to any extent on the battlefield.
 
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I also don't believe the military would launch an all out attack on what is pretty obvious lies to everyone in the world (Neo-nazi causing genocide in Ukraine? It's just bonkers stuff). So the threat will be taken seriously in public by politicians but behind the scenes I suspect the various intelligence services will sniff out the real situation with willingness.

Can't say the same for tactical nukes though but should such a thing happen it's time to send in the West for real, kick them out of Crimea and permanently base troops along the border to send a message that he crossed the line, that he used nukes for the first time since WWII, for the most petty and pathetic of reasons. The West has played this game long enough, we have Russia, China testing our resolve, inch by inch, seeing what they can get away with. Biden saying he'll protect Taiwan is another good move, officially nothing has changed but make it clear that it's a red line.
 
I suppose the big question now is what will he do if Ukraine takes back an area he considers part of Russia after a referendum.
He's clearly gone nuts and he cant back down or he's dead.
 
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He's totally off his nut, wouldn't surprise me if Russia have lost over 100k soldiers and now he sends in 300k reserves which probably are far worse at fighting than those lost.
 
Devilman said:
Point is.. He wants all of Ukraine, He wasn't going to stop at the Donbass, or Kherson, it was only the fact that Ukraine stopped him.
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Does he? I understand the intention was to replace the leadership of Ukraine and install a regime friendly to Russia rather than annex the whole country. Having failed in that aim, the new aim is to annex Donbass/Luhansk and create a land corridor supplying Crimea.

But in that kind of situation, I really have my doubts that in the "chain of command" between him demanding it and the person responsible actually pushing the button, that the order would be obeyed / relayed.
The entire Russian regime grew up under the MAD doctrine, they know full well what would likely happen if nuclear weapons are used to any extent on the battlefield.
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Yeah, I still think that nukes are a bluff rather than a real threat. Putin is a barking dog, hoping to deter the West with threats.
 
He's not going to nuke anything until he's lost and has nothing left to lose OR we pre emptive nuke Moscow, which as far as I'm led to believe isn't ever going to happen.

Again let us hope Ukraine+ our tax money and higher cheese cost can fund Ukraine long enough to hold out for an internal russian coup.
 
Uther said:
I suppose the big question now is what will he do if Ukraine takes back an area he considers part of Russia after a referendum.
He's clearly gone nuts and he cant back down or he's dead.
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Nothing. Ukraine already attacked Crimea and Belgorod which was apparently a red line and Russia did nothing.
 
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Rroff said:
Looks like the approach Russia is going to be taking is implementing "martial law" in specific parts, likely those bordering Ukraine, during which all power is transferred to military administration as per Andrey Kartapolov's statement - I suspect then mysteriously a large amount of men in those regions will strangely find themselves holding a rifle marching towards Ukraine while Putin continues to insist there is no general mobilisation.

At least with that piece meal approach the most likely outcome is expending their man power bit by bit into the grinder ineffectively until they are defeated rather than a mobilisation which might be able to overcome through weight of numbers.
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Basically getting neighbouring regions to arm up and march to the border. The result is dead neighbours and thus Putin turns then regions into a continuous skirmishing region. It also means he's hoping that this stops Ukraine from marching into russia which would be a political death knoll to Putin (and not marching into russia but stopping at the border shows Ukraine is more likely to stop Putin's political support). Use of tactical nukes would simply be a demonstration of desperation (politically). However as Putin currently has the backing/control of the party then he's not going to fall out of a hospital window soon.

I'm not sure people power works - it only works with the right tactics. Technology nullifies concentrations and the low morale of the existing soldiers will cross into the new recruits if they're not managed by a separate chain of command. However large numbers of people require large logistics.. and we saw how well those logistics worked after being completely exposed to drone attack.
 
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kylew_is_back said:
Russia is capable of arm and support 20 million troops with modern weapons marching from murmansk - kherson line to the atlantic coast.
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So what's taking them so long? Let me guess - They're not really retreating as fast as their legs can carry them, they're just "lulling Ukraine into a false sense of security" right?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
SPG said:
They are not though, the last thing Russia needs is another war.

No one is going to recognise these referendums apart from China, Syria, Iran and a few of the stans....
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China is probably going to stand by and watch. Like they did this all this time so far. I wonder what they told him or he did in that summit last week.
All the leaders disagreed publicly with the war he brought.
 
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