Combating energy prices

One way to cut energy bills would appear to be through peak time planning.


Does anyone know how this will actually work? Is it based on previous usage or something? Ie to give me 50p per kW I don't use, will they need to understand how much I used previously??
 
I go for 4000k in "work" rooms (kitchen, bathrooms, dining room, gym) and 2900k in "relaxing" rooms (hallways, bedrooms and livingroom).

After 2 weeks of usage, I can say our energy use has gone down by about 33% after targeting many smaller use items, optimising equipment setups etc. We are now averaging about 50kwh a week. A significant portion of that (14kwh per week is my two servers that are on 24/7).
 
What kind of smaller use items are you talking about? And what did you optimise? I'm wanting to do the same and if I can get a 33% reduction that would be great!
 
What kind of smaller use items are you talking about? And what did you optimise? I'm wanting to do the same and if I can get a 33% reduction that would be great!
a lot is specific to my household and stuff i happened to have but I'll list them.

- Turned off garage door opener, used to be on 24/7, use it once in a blue moon
- Turned off house alarm, was never given the code when i moved in
- Changed my CH pump to Proportional Pressure II from Constant Speed III
- Turned off a 4 channel aerial splitter in the loft, i don't use live TV and don't pay for a licence
- I removed a lightwave lightswitch and hub, used it once a day just to be lazy when going to bed
- My fridge is too big for us, it spends a lot of time empty so i've filled up several shelves with items (empty cooler box, 2L bottles filled with water) to stop it dumping loads of air out everytime and having to cool it down
- Removed a "sun rise" clock, stopped using it a while back and it was just there for time. I have a health band or phone i use for time anyway
- Moved my router to a diffrent location so i could get rid of a 8 port switch. Sacrificed some wifi reception for that but worst place in the house still gets 60mbps+
- We have a tv in the dining room thats never used, turned it fully off
- In my downstairs gym i turn off at the wall the tv/firestick/alexa. Gets used once a day when i exercise. I get ready to row while it boots so no lost time
- Similar in the garage i turn off the speakers/echo there when not doing work there
- I have a ton of amazon echos, maybe 10 in total. Unplugged several that were basiclly not used (eg conservatory, if you want music the kitchen one carrys through fine, 2 year old had an old echo for some reason in her room)
- Adjusted my home desk so i can turn off scanner/printer 1/printer 2/shredder on a single switch. Not used often
- Adjusted my work desk, work PC on 8 hours, and a second home PC on for 8 hours. The second home PC has been swapped out for a laptop which is saving power as it used to be a desktop with a GTX1060 and a old speaker system
- Changed the power supply on my server, its a 3800x, 64GB ram, 2TB nvme, 8x 4TB disks. It idles at around 60-70w but had a 850w PSU (used to have a gaming GPU and stuff in there). Its now got a old 360w PSU in there and is closer in the optimum efficiency band of the PSU. Both were gold rated.
- Living room has 2x 14w LED main lights. We don't use these much now while watching TV and switched over to a floor standing lamp we had which is 8w
- Made better use of house phone base stations which allowed me to remove one handset and charging station

Even though its a long list, most of it is 24/7 use things that have been removed so it doesn't impact our daily life really. I can't get much lower without really sacrificing my routines/wants. Most of the usage now i can attribute to my 2 servers and the fridge (large, cheap, inefficiency american style one), which is around 40%-50% current total usage.
 
One way to cut energy bills would appear to be through peak time planning.


Does anyone know how this will actually work? Is it based on previous usage or something? Ie to give me 50p per kW I don't use, will they need to understand how much I used previously??

It would work if your tariff responded to it. In reality, it's going to make life really inconvenient. The primary benefit I can see is if you have a hot water cylinder and heat it during the time that gas is low cost.
 
- Changed the power supply on my server, its a 3800x, 64GB ram, 2TB nvme, 8x 4TB disks. It idles at around 60-70w but had a 850w PSU (used to have a gaming GPU and stuff in there). Its now got a old 360w PSU in there and is closer in the optimum efficiency band of the PSU. Both were gold rated.
was that/360W demonstrably better with an energy meter ... I had thought of updating laptop power bricks to GaN chargers since existing bricks (hand warmer) get warm, but have not found compelling data to support decision.


What kind of smaller use items are you talking about?

not 33% , but I'd previously reduced gu10 5w bulb count in kitchen and bathroom 6->2 3->2
buy my first echo device and stop using 100W bedroom tv for listening to radio4 early mornings
Turn off an amp that was always on, burning 30W, will now just put it on just in evening.
multiple dishes now cooked when the oven is on, for eating over several days. - every little countshelps
 
was that/360W demonstrably better with an energy meter ... I had thought of updating laptop power bricks to GaN chargers since existing bricks (hand warmer) get warm, but have not found compelling data to support decision.

Barely a few % at most, it was close enough that it could also be a discrepancy in my kit (it runs UNRAID so does file server, VMs, dockers etc). I certainly wouldn't have done it if i didn't already have the PSU as i wouldn't have ever saved my money back.

I think with the GaN chargers it'll be a similar story of "replacing functioning devices will rarely see the money back in savings". I have the same dilemma with my boiler. Its a 20 year old, non-condensing one that’s around 75% efficient. I've calculate that vs a 90% efficiency boiler it wastes around 2600kwh of gas at my usage of 16000kwh a year. Even at the (pre Truss announcement) proposed gas prices of Oct at around 13p that would save me £340 a year. So a total saving of £3400-£5100 over a 10 to 15 year period of sustained prices at 13p per kwh. At the lower end its still barely a saving taking into account the install costs of a new boiler and assumes quite high gas prices for the next decade. Versus other investment avenues its a rather poor return
 
Most people use the Tapo ones with the built in energy monitor. To be honest, I wouldn’t get loads unless they are for high current devices. Spending £15 a pop to save 5-6w overnight isn’t going to be cost effective.
 
Most people use the Tapo ones with the built in energy monitor. To be honest, I wouldn’t get loads unless they are for high current devices. Spending £15 a pop to save 5-6w overnight isn’t going to be cost effective.
So 4 pack for £30 seems ok, but am I right that 4 pack is just on/off function no monitoring? £15 each for one with monitoring.
 
It would work if your tariff responded to it. In reality, it's going to make life really inconvenient. The primary benefit I can see is if you have a hot water cylinder and heat it during the time that gas is low cost.
Yes, I'm thinking that given I've got 20kwh of batteries, it shouldn't be too inconvenient as I can just use the battery?
 
I've started to install Meross plugs that turn off Sonos kit, AV stack that has Sky Mini, TV and such connected.

I'm getting the house wired soon for networking to a central patch pannel, so plan is to loose some switches for 1 x 24 Port POE switch etc. I have a Dell PowerEdge T340 running 24/7 that idles at 45w or so. Need to look at TrueNAS for spinning down the disks etc. 2 x 1TB SSD and 2 x 10TB disks currently.

Been looking at solar again, £11k ish. What I need to check is EoN quoted a 19 month pay off periord, really.??! Wow used be 10+ years.
 
So 4 pack for £30 seems ok, but am I right that 4 pack is just on/off function no monitoring? £15 each for one with monitoring.
It seems to depend what model you go for. But generally the slightly more pricey ones have it.

I got the tapo tp110 from the rain forest for £9.99 on a deal last week.

I've only got one as it's just to energy monitor.

Found my first vampire device. Charging station for the baby monitor. Monitor turned off but plug on. Pulls just about the same as running the TV in that room! Which is bonkers. Interestingly my other sons monitor which is different is only 1/4 this draw.
 
How much detail do the tapo units provide? I’ve got eve unit that’s not in use atm and Meross that don’t provide info. I’m fine for that re the devices they are plugged into etc.

Ultimately I need to get rid of a pond and fish. Fairly large fish too
 
I'd get the sonoff inline switches (and wire them in) if you want many of them £3/each on aliexpress, but I haven't bought from China since brexit.

If you have an energy monitor plug, it is not caching historic data afaik, just running totals, so you have to have a server on for graphs.



I think with the GaN chargers it'll be a similar story of "replacing functioning devices will rarely see the money back in savings". I have the same dilemma with my boiler. Its a 20 year old, non-condensing one that’s around 75% efficient. I've calculate that vs a 90% efficiency boiler it wastes around 2600kwh of gas at my usage of 16000kwh a year. Even at the (pre Truss announcement) proposed gas prices of Oct at around 13p that would save me £340 a year. So a total saving of £3400-£5100 over a 10 to 15 year period of sustained prices at 13p per kwh. At the lower end its still barely a saving taking into account the install costs of a new boiler and assumes quite high gas prices for the next decade. Versus other investment avenues its a rather poor return
yes agree parents updated a 20yr old non-condensing boiler (will they fit anything else) but it will need more $$ maintenance, gains are not all they are advertised V
(I expect below analysis did include that it won't (always?) be condensing during hot water tank heat-up )


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Research published by DECC last month showed that home insulation measures deliver half the savings that are claimed. A study of homeowners installing a package of cavity and loft insulation and a new boiler in 2010 indicated a 19% reduction in energy use, and a likely saving of about £140 at current gas prices.
(gas prices increased since then but the percentages remain the same)
 
I ended up buying this fella :)

Update on this: having done a couple of loads with it and monitoring with my power meter, it's using between 0.75 - 0.95 Kwh which in my tariff is around 25p.

Really impressed, and the load takes around 2hrs which is fine
 
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what brand then - do you get one with a 2? 5? year warranty
I'm tired of my mid price V-tac ones blowing, so trying to get a warranty & buy directly from amazon/reputed-shop.
Oh well, the new expensive bulb just died after 11 days, and I've stuck my old one back in that's been fine for years.
Shows paying the extra money doesn't always work out.
Now to test the warranty...
 
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