Electric vehicles will no longer be exempt from vehicle excise duty from April 2025

Nasher said:
Well it was never about saving money. At some point it will be cheaper to keep an old petrol car going than a run an EV, especially if these energy prices stick. They will have to make the VED quite high on EVs to compensate for the loss in fuel duty.

They won't do retroactive changes so cars which are £0 or dirt cheap tax now won't change. Cars which are free tax will become quite sought after I bet.
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Its not quite high, its exactly the same as ICE.

Unfortunately they have, all Band A cars at £0 will mnove to Band B in 2025 and hence my 2001 Honda will cost £20 a year VED. :rolleyes:
 
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I'm surprised the applied the tax changes to cars from 2017, normally it'd be from '25 onwards, still it is not a lot in the grand scheme of things, rather this than pay per mile, even though I have many cars that do no miles, I don't fancy a tracker in the car, no with my inability to adhere to speed limits :D
 
Nasher said:
They won't do retroactive changes so cars which are £0 or dirt cheap tax now won't change.
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They've done exactly that.

The only EVs which aren't affected will be those registered before April 2017, which doesn't leave much - early Model S, 28kWh Ioniq and 20-30kWh Zoes and Leafs (Leaves?) which are OK for pottering around town, but no good as a "main" car due to the limited range (~80 miles assuming the battery is in excellent condition).

However, there should be a few early ZE40 Zoes which are exempt (apparently started production in Feb 2017), which could be a nice option, as you can get potentially 150-200 miles out of one depending on conditions.

Of course, it's something of a moot point - £165 (£14/month) isn't really a lot in terms of car ownership, although it is still a bit of a psychological barrier, and in the case of an EV, it's potentially more than your "fuel" cost!

sparkymark75 said:
VED is supposed to be based on emissions. So how come my wife will be paying £20 for her NOx polluting diesel yet I’ll be expected to pay £165.
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Yup, my child-murdering 2009 diesel Octavia costs the same £165, and I'm not even allowed to drive into the centre of town without a fine!
 
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Nasher said:
Well it was never about saving money. At some point it will be cheaper to keep an old petrol car going than a run an EV, especially if these energy prices stick. They will have to make the VED quite high on EVs to compensate for the loss in fuel duty.

They won't do retroactive changes so cars which are £0 or dirt cheap tax now won't change. Cars which are free tax will become quite sought after I bet.
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Of course they will. What makes you think they wont?
 
sparkymark75 said:
Really? A few people aren’t paying VED causing massive inflation?
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if its lets say 200,000 cars thats £33m per annum the govt doesnt have to find from elsewhere. The current figure is actually 590,000 and rising each month so thats £97.35m per year. Delayed until 2025 when they could have easily taken it over the next 2 years. Almost £200m is quite a lot of money personally. For example, its enough that it would cover the cost of giving nurses a 1.5% payrise.
 
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The government will eventually lose billions in fuel tax. The tax on petrol in the UK is obscene. The government has to start lumping some very serious amounts of tax on something else.
 
SpellowHouse said:
The government will eventually lose billions in fuel tax. The tax on petrol in the UK is obscene. The government has to start lumping some very serious amounts of tax on something else.
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Yup - VED is a drop in the ocean in comparison. Quick calculation from good shows that £0.89 of the current £1.85 diesel price is tax, which means someone doing 10k @ 50mpg miles is paying ~£808 in tax on fuel, or almost 5x as much.

Quick calculation based on 3.6 mi/kWh means that same tax on electricity instead would increase unit prices by ~29p
 
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Don’t get too caught up on kWh for maths from the car display. I was amazed to take a model Y LR from 6 miles range to 80% with 76kWh of energy! Serious losses on Tesla AC charging from my sample of 1.
 
I assume that was from AC?

EDIT- don't know why I didn't see it in the original post, doh! :D

what percentage loss is that?
 
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VED should be mileage and weight based. That would be the most logical solution.

Higher weight and higher mileage = more damage done to the roads which in turns means more repairs and more CO2 to fix it.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Don’t get too caught up on kWh for maths from the car display. I was amazed to take a model Y LR from 6 miles range to 80% with 76kWh of energy! Serious losses on Tesla AC charging from my sample of 1.
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Good point - iirc charging efficiency is around 85-95% depending on the car/charger and charging speed?

adam cool dude said:
VED should be mileage and weight based. That would be the most logical solution.

Higher weight and higher mileage = more damage done to the roads which in turns means more repairs and more CO2 to fix it.
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Yeah, definitely, it's a bit **** how you can have a nice "weekend car" which does less than 1k miles/year, but pay more in VED than your repmobile doing 30k up and down the motorway every day.
 
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