The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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C Kent said:
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet,
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Private information. Not public. Also, Musk's plane is not a person and he may or may not be on it at the time it is flying.

Even if he is, that's irrelevant because if you fly on a plane—any plane (except one that's part of some kind of secret government/military operation, obviously)—your location is public information by default, since air traffic controllers need to know where you are.
 
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C Kent said:
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet,
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The only thing being identified is a jet. Musk does not live on his jet. Other people routinely fly on his jet.

So the location of a jet is neither private info OR identifying information about an individual, as the tracker doesn’t show who is flying
 
dowie said:
Nah, that's flawed, the electoral roll contains names and addresses, that's information open to the public, you can go and look at it and take notes, looking someone up and actively publishing that public information on Twitter would almost universally be considered to be doxxing. So would looking up say someone's phone number in the BT phonebook and publishing that on Twitter even though it's already publicly accessible information.

Someone's live location would seem to fall under "doxxing" too IMO, though more importantly whether or not you apply that label to it isn't really central to whether or not that action is bad and/or whether it should be prevented, the principles are still there re: risks of harassment, security risks etc.

There is a big difference in terms of risk of harassment, safety issues between something being available if people actively seek it and something being actively broadcast to a wide audience.
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Phone books are doxxing, gotcha
 
Sankari said:
Private information. Not public. Also, Musk's plane is not a person and he may or may not be on it at the time it is flying.
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As pointed out, its easy to obtain someone's address through public means, and yet posting that information without their consent is doxxing.
Sankari said:
Even if he is, that's irrelevant because if you fly on a plane—any plane (except one that's part of some kind of secret government/military operation, obviously)—your location is public information by default, since air traffic controllers need to know where you are.
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Again, that rolls back around to the debate about whether it should be accessible by the public when its information used by private companies to provide safety measures, just because something is easily accessible it doesn't mean that it should be easily accessible. I haven't seen any arguments put forth as to why it should remain within the public space apart from folks saying well it's already within the public space..
 
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Jono8 said:
Like an Airplane transponder signal?
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When shared on a twitter account of 500k followers sure...

How many telephone books are sent out in the UK?

Do you really not get the distinction between than info being available if looked for (it's available in a massed collection of phone numbers) and that info being actively picked out and shared/broadcast on Twitter?

You can look on a flight tracker website and see a mass of planes etc.. Someone actively picking out Elon's plane and specifically tracking that one then broadcasting it to a wide audience is a bit different!

Like how is this not a really obvious point for you to follow?
 
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www.independent.co.uk

‘Free speech absolutist’ Elon Musk flees journalists’ questions on Twitter bans

‘There is not going to be any distinction in the future between journalists and regular people,’ tech billionaire says
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Elon Musk abruptly left a Q&A session on Thursday evening after facing questions about the suspension of several prominent journalists from Twitter.

Reporters from CNN, Mashable, The New York Times and The Washington Post were suspended after they tweeted about the suspension of the account ‘ElonJet’, which tracked the movements of the billionaire’s private jet.

Following the bans, BuzzFeed News reporter Katie Notopoulos organised a session on Twitter Spaces – an audio-based feature on the platform – which Mr Musk briefly joined.

When asked about the journalists’ bans, the Twitter boss said that showing real-time information about someone’s location was “inappropriate”, despite objections from reporters that they were just doing their job.

“There is not going to be any distinction in the future between journalists and regular people, everyone is going to be treated the same,” he said.

“You’re not special because you’re a journalist, you’re just a citizen. So no special treatment: You dox, you get suspended, end of story.”

Mr Musk then abruptly left the Twitter Spaces before Ms Notopoulos was able to ask any follow-up questions. The session was also unexpectedly cut off following Mr Musk’s departure, preventing any further discussion.

“Sorry it appears the Space cut out, screen went suddenly blank on my end and everyone got booted,” Ms Notopoulos tweeted.
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Poor baby lol
 
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If Elon doesn’t like his flight’s being tracked, perhaps he could get the crew to just turn the transponder off?

He’s a tech guy, I’m sure he’d appreciate getting to see what cool fighter jet they send up to intercept him everytime he flies.
 
dowie said:
When shared on a twitter account of 500k followers sure...

How many telephone books are sent out in the UK?

Do you really not get the distinction between than info being available if looked for (it's available in a massed collection of phone numbers) and that info being actively picked out and shared/broadcast on Twitter?

You can look on a flight tracker website and see a mass of planes etc.. Someone actively picking out Elon's plane and specifically tracking that one then broadcasting it to a wide audience is a bit different!

Like how is this not a really obvious point for you to follow?
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It is a plane. There appears to be quite an enthusiast community of people who enjoy tracking flights/planes. It seems odd to stamp that out on a website that was supposedly going to be so free/like a town hall.

I guarantee you that Elon's plane location being posted on Twitter makes not one single jot of difference to his safety, and I don't believe that Elon thinks it does either (unless he is more stupid than i thought). He is just on a power trip.

and no , I definitely do not think posting publicly broadcast and available plane transponder location data is doxxing.
 
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dowie said:
When shared on a twitter account of 500k followers sure...

How many telephone books are sent out in the UK?

Do you really not get the distinction between than info being available if looked for (it's available in a massed collection of phone numbers) and that info being actively picked out and shared/broadcast on Twitter?

You can look on a flight tracker website and see a mass of planes etc.. Someone actively picking out Elon's plane and specifically tracking that one then broadcasting it to a wide audience is a bit different!

Like how is this not a really obvious point for you to follow?
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There is no distinction - you still have to go looking for it on Twitter in the same way you’d have to go looking for it on Flightradar24. No-one is sitting in your living room with a loudspeaker telling you things that are happening.

The information is there, in the public domain, for you to search for if you want it.
 
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