NVIDIA 4000 Series

[LtMatt]

You're such a troll on these forums lol. If that's what LtMatt gets, great or do you call out other users for getting the best out of their systems and posting on OVERCLOCKERS UK.

Strange with all the benchmark threads that have existed for more than a decade with users doing just that for the top spots.

Here is a picture of my setup taken from the video I just recorded (no portable AC inside my chassis funnily enough ).

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YouTube footage is uploading and should be ready for posting in about an hour and a half.

I can give a spoiler on 7900 XTX Nitro performance though, 4K with FSR Quality + Ultra Ray Tracing Quality = 67 FPS. That's the first 12 minutes of the campaign.

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From what I have seen so far, the cut scenes are more demanding than the actual gameplay.

 

[J.D]

Did you miss the bit I posted:

Again, no issue at all, just highlighting the above Also, matt goes to the extreme of using liquid metal among many other tweaks, which most people even on this forum wouldn't do, after all, he doesn't get number 1 spot in various benchmarks (in the world too and not just on here) by keeping a stock system with only a mild overclock/undervolt

Fair enough, all that matters is that the results are true. LtMatt also pushed his 4090 beyond normal user levels but you only highlighted his AMD results in your first reply which is why I thought your reply was strange.

 

[LtMatt]

Fair enough, all that matters is that the results are true. LtMatt also pushed his 4090 beyond normal user levels but you only highlighted his AMD results in your first reply which is why I thought your reply was strange.

Don't worry, the 4090 results will be coming soon too and I very much doubt I will need DLSS either.

 

[Nexus18]

Those figures are an embarrassment to the dev team of that game, also interestingly very different to HUB results.

Not just TPU results who are different but also jansns too:

Seems that ultra performance mode somewhat makes it more playable, thank god nvidia have drastically improved IQ of DLSS performance/UP recently!

 

[J.D]

Here is a picture of my setup taken from the video I just recorded (no portable AC inside my chassis funnily enough ).

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YouTube footage is uploading and should be ready for posting in about an hour and a half.

I can give a spoiler on 7900 XTX Nitro performance though, 4K with FSR Quality + Ultra Ray Tracing Quality = 67 FPS. That's the first 12 minutes of the campaign.

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From what I have seen so far, the cut scenes are more demanding than the actual gameplay.

OK, where is the AC hidden then?

Very nice PC mate, LtMatt and his technicolour dream-PC lol.

Have you ran any tests without FSR to see if they are comparable with posted benchmarks in this thread?

Don't worry, the 4090 results will be coming soon too and I very much doubt I will need DLSS either.

Nice, will give a watch later. Have you got this 4090 anywhere near the level you had the gamerock at or are we talking numbers that wouldn't really rock the boat?

 

[Nexus18]

Fair enough, all that matters is that the results are true. LtMatt also pushed his 4090 beyond normal user levels but you only highlighted his AMD results in your first reply which is why I thought your reply was strange.

Did I?

Don't worry matt will have his fresh install of windows on, best components there is on the market all highly tuned and running custom bios etc. with the air conditioning unit right beside the pc to show how it performs lovely for him and how all review sites performance figures are wrong

May have to dig out the pic of when he did have the ac unit right beside his tower although this was a while back tbf

 

[chrcoluk]

All of the computer base benchmark tests have 12gb of ram now, 4k is starting to get out of reach of 10gb it would seem.

From computer base - "Hogwarts Legacy requires a lot of graphics card memory for maximum texture detail. Specifically, it is the first game in the editorial team's test that only works without problems in all situations from 16 GB of VRAM. Even with 12 GB you have to accept limitations. For example, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti does not have any performance problems in Ultra HD and DLSS Quality with otherwise full graphics quality, but the textures are not loaded for some objects, others disappear completely for a short time, since the engine is probably trying to fix the situation somehow to rescue. Without ray tracing, it also works with 12 GB. 10 GB is no longer enough even without ray tracing in Ultra HD with DLSS at a sufficient frame rate. If the graphics card only has 8 GB, there are already clear signs of wear and tear in WQHD including DLSS, even without ray tracing, and even in Full HD one or the other texture is missing when playing. Ultimately, 8 GB and maximum textures are not possible."

Hopefully patches can help to sort this out, but we'll see. My answer is not to upgrade gpu, but downgrade monitor. Simples.

Yep an example of dynamic handling of textures in games, sites like TPU never seem to care about that, and just jot down the FPS numbers.

Now days we dont just have textures not loading like described in your quote, but it also might be the case that they load but with a lower LOD. Anyone reviewing a modern games VRAM requirements needs to be aware of this otherwise they not doing a proper job, is good to see someone other than DF/eurogamer looking for this stuff.

 

[willhub]

Have to say I'm really happy with this GameRock 4080, for £800 it's brilliant piece of kit. Sorted driver issues and it's going over 120fps in fs2020 now bloody great value

 

[J.D]

Did I?



May have to dig out the pic of when he did have the ac unit right beside his tower although this was a while back tbf

Yes, your first reply. Obviously I meant your first reply to me. In bold below.

I believe you, it just doesn't matter if it's got nothing to do with his current set up so you don't have to dig it out.

But in all seriousness, I got no problem with that, it's just funny when these review sites are the source of truth when it comes to nvidia ******** the bed but when it comes to amd gpus, they're wrong as matt can get an extra 25+% from his setup

 

[chrcoluk]

The game being poorly optimised, don't be so silly!!!! It's clearly nvidia and amd to blame for doing their shoddy "planned obsolescence" tactics.....

But in all seriousness, this whole pointing fingers at amd or/and nvidia because of lack of grunt, vram, RT perf, FG features or whatever straw people like to clutch on to suit their narrative is just silly tbh, people still aren't learning that the ones at fault are the game developers, it is them who are choosing not to optimise their games properly and instead are relying on upscaling and frame generation to do the "optimisation" for them, the sooner technical review sites and customer base start calling them out and boycotting such games, the better, so far the only ones to do this whether people like it or not is Alex from Digital foundry.

Its not a narrative, its just the fact of life of how games get made.

The fix from developers would require them to get performance nailed down at the start of development, which would be turning their current practices upside down, by the time they optimise, they invested in the engine and the code and likely already up to their deadline as well.

Because of this we expect hardware manufacturers to be more sensitive on what hardware they provide in their SKUs, you can get 16 gigs of VRAM on a £500 console, that includes storage, cpu, motherboard, PSU, optical drive and a controller, you can get 8 gigs on a £250 GPU. There is no excuse really, it cant be defended. They selling GPUs for £800 with less than the VRAM you get in a £500 console.

 

[LtMatt]

OK, where is the AC hidden then?

Very nice PC mate, LtMatt and his technicolour dream-PC lol.

Have you ran any tests without FSR to see if they are comparable with posted benchmarks in this thread?

Nice, will give a watch later. Have you got this 4090 anywhere near the level you had the gamerock at or are we talking numbers that wouldn't really rock the boat?

I had a portable AC unit pointing into the radiator of the 6900 XTXH Toxic Extreme Edition when I got to No1 in Firestrike Extreme/Ultra leader boards worldwide back in Jun 21 or so.

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That was obviously for a world record and when energy bills were £75 a month, not £250-£300+ as they are currently so no I do not use a portable AC for any of my YouTube videos it's just ridiculous to even suggest that.

The video I am uploading is 4K Native + FSR Quality so should be comparable I'd imagine. I tried FSR Balanced and that seemed okay and increased FPS further if you want to keep at or above 60FPS at all times.

I've managed to push this 4090 past my previous escapades with the GameRock, but there's not a huge difference between them other than more coil whine on the Suprim X.

 

[Nexus18]

Yep an example of dynamic handling of textures in games, sites like TPU never seem to care about that, and just jot down the FPS numbers.

Now days we dont just have textures not loading like described in your quote, but it also might be the case that they load but with a lower LOD. Anyone reviewing a modern games VRAM requirements needs to be aware of this otherwise they not doing a proper job, is good to see someone other than DF/eurogamer looking for this stuff.

But they're nvidia shills

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I read in the hogwarts thread apparently they aren't covering this game though

Yes, your first reply. Obviously I meant your first reply to me. In bold below.

I believe you, it just doesn't matter if it's got nothing to do with his current set up so you don't have to dig it out.

Ah my reply to you, fair! Although that is accurate as well tbh as I remember when I pointed out how with FC 6 in computerbase etc. benchmark results (which were 100% accurate for the 3080 fps crash because of "vram"), even a 6800xt was having to use FSR in order to get above 60 fps at 4kin that game........ but matts special 6800xt showed otherwise

Because of this we expect hardware manufacturers to be more sensitive on what hardware they provide in their SKUs, you can get 16 gigs of VRAM on a £500 console, that includes storage, cpu, motherboard, PSU, optical drive and a controller, you can get 8 gigs on a £250 GPU. There is no excuse really, it cant be defended. They selling GPUs for £800 with less than the VRAM you get in a £500 console.

Are you referring to the 4070ti? I'm pretty sure a 4070ti will mop the floor compared to a console

This has always been the case though where a high end pc/gpu will cost more than a console, it won't ever change and I'll be amazed if the next gen consoles manage to come in for the same price, don't be surprised if they end up costing £800+, amd have shown they are willing to follow nvidia pricing in the pc space so you can expect they'll ask for more money from microsoft and sony next time too unless they take a loss.

 

[chrcoluk]

But they're nvidia shills

/s



I read in the hogwarts thread apparently they aren't covering this game though



Ah my reply to you, fair! Although that is accurate as well tbh as I remember when I pointed out how with FC 6 in computerbase etc. benchmark results (which were 100% accurate for the 3080 fps crash because of "vram"), even a 6800xt was having to use FSR in order to get above 60 fps at 4kin that game........ but matts special 6800xt showed otherwise



Are you referring to the 4070ti? I'm pretty sure a 4070ti will mop the floor compared to a console

This has always been the case though where a high end pc/gpu will cost more than a console, it won't ever change and I'll be amazed if the next gen consoles manage to come in for the same price, don't be surprised if they end up costing £800+, amd have shown they are willing to follow nvidia pricing in the pc space so you can expect they'll ask for more money from microsoft and sony next time too unless they take a loss.

What do you mean by mop the floor, is it only framerate that matters to you?

Do you think Hogwart on the consoles has missing textures?

 

[LtMatt]

Have to say I'm really happy with this GameRock 4080, for £800 it's brilliant piece of kit. Sorted driver issues and it's going over 120fps in fs2020 now bloody great value

How did you get a GameRock for £800? Round these parts folk normally have to pay well over the odds for a GameRock.

 

[willhub]

How did you get a GameRock for £800? Round these parts folk normally have to pay well over the odds for a GameRock.

Got to be a smarty pants and live on the edge

 

[gpuerrilla]

What do you mean by mop the floor, is it only framerate that matters to you?

Normally its a ray tracing obsession, but axes to grind eh.

 

[chrcoluk]

Steam deck is good they took unified approach, not bad value as well. Might be tempted.

I wonder if the future for PCs is we replace DRAM with GDDRx and the VRAM capacity is then the user's choice not Nvidia's choice. How much of a hit does non gaming workloads take when using GDDR instead of normal dimm's?

 

[LtMatt]

They've just released a game patch right after I finished recording the XTX video.

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• Addressed PS5 performance-related issues.
• Addressed various graphical issues
• Fixed some minor glitches and bugs.
• Added stability and performance fixes.
• Added general stability fixes.

 

[Grim5]

nice, I will start playing today

 

[Nexus18]

What do you mean by mop the floor, is it only framerate that matters to you?

Do you think Hogwart on the consoles has missing textures?

You do realise consoles are sacrificing settings across the board including RT AND resolution in order to meet 60 fps?