TfL might scrap London Day Rail Travelcards

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

After nearly 40 years,its an endangered species.

Calculated this could increase a day ticket to london by over 30% for me:

Elizabeth line passengers may be hit hardest by plan to scrap Day Travelcards

A public consultation has opened on the proposal - here's what it means for you

www.mylondon.news

London day travelcards could be phased out

The daily paper tickets would no longer be sold or accepted on Transport for London services.

www.bbc.co.uk

It seems,only increasing London fares by 5.9% after years of freezing them,means outer boundaries will have to foot some of the extra cost:

Higher fares across all London transport take effect

How an average fare rise of 5.9% on London bus, Tube, rail and tram services will affect you.

www.bbc.co.uk

Kind of annoying after the ULEZ boundary extension. Maybe I need to go elsewhere for trips!

 

[Mrwong]

After nearly 40 years,its an endangered species.

Calculated this could increase a day ticket to london by over 30% for me:

Elizabeth line passengers may be hit hardest by plan to scrap Day Travelcards

A public consultation has opened on the proposal - here's what it means for you

www.mylondon.news

London day travelcards could be phased out

The daily paper tickets would no longer be sold or accepted on Transport for London services.

www.bbc.co.uk

It seems,only increasing London fares by 5.9% after years of freezing them,means outer boundaries will have to foot some of the extra cost:

Higher fares across all London transport take effect

How an average fare rise of 5.9% on London bus, Tube, rail and tram services will affect you.

www.bbc.co.uk

Kind of annoying after the ULEZ boundary extension. Maybe I need to go elsewhere for trips!

Well the mayor has bankrupt London, he needs to collect coin.

 

[A2Z]

This is once again due to the incompetent government. The bailout they gave TfL during Covid came with attachments so they have to find ways to increase revenue.

 

[Efour]

It's eye wateringly expensive to use public transport in London.
Im back for 2 weeks soon and I bet it'll be a third if not more of my total trip costs. Crazy.

 

[Trifid]

That is a big increase in ticket costs to get around London from the home counties, an attack on Tory heartland... Is this a shrewd move by TFL or a misguided policy by the government. Either way, the idea that public transport should be profitable is misguided.

 

[Nitefly]

Aren’t they just going to get rid of the paper ticket? Paper tickets are the dinosaur option, no?

If you pay by contactless, I’m pretty sure it’s the same price or less if the sum of your individual journeys if less (i.e. it caps at the price of the travel card) for most journeys - until you start looking at monthly options.

Pay as you go caps

Make as many pay as you go journeys are you like using contactless or an Oyster card and we'll cap your fare

tfl.gov.uk

Caps and Travelcard prices

Covers Travelcards and Cap fares for Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line and most National Rail services.

tfl.gov.uk

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That is a big increase in ticket costs to get around London from the home counties, an attack on Tory heartland... Is this a shrewd move by TFL or a misguided policy by the government. Either way, the idea that public transport should be profitable is misguided.

The London fares have essentially only gone up by 5.9% since 2017 due to a 5 year freeze. Our public transport costs have gone up more than that. So instead of increasing Londoners fares he is forcing visitors outside of London to pay more.

Aren’t they just going to get rid of the paper ticket? Paper tickets are the dinosaur option, no?

If you pay by contactless, it’s the same price or less if the sum of your individual journeys if less (i.e. it caps at the price of the travel card).

Nope. It's ending travel cards. So you have to pay separately for the rail travel and tfl travel. It's a huge increase,because it's cheaper to buy a travelcard travelling into of London.
He froze fares for Londoners and barely increased them. So increasing them more he just did a stealth increase for visitors now.
TFL boasted they would make at least £40 million more and they quietly removed that part.

Problem is home counties people don't get London weighting always and lots of the travel routes through London. Captive audience I suppose.

https://twitter.com/callummarius/status/1648691941779931137?t=5f0xhffGxjUOokVgOMPCmg&s=19

I am a regional journalist in the Home Counties, I work in London. My salary is meh, I don't drive. On weekends I pay £10.40 for my Travelcard w/railcard. If this disappears it'd cost me £16.75 for the same thing, a 61% increase. At peak hours it'd be £31.25, I cannot afford that

TfL knows this is a huge issue as since I published my article it has taken down the FAQs (which tacitly accepted backlash on targeting poorest), data docs and reference to the £40million/year from the consultation page. It is embarrassed, as it should be. It knows this is wrong.

 

[Trifid]

Aren’t they just going to get rid of the paper ticket? Paper tickets are the dinosaur option, no?

If you pay by contactless, I’m pretty sure it’s the same price or less if the sum of your individual journeys if less (i.e. it caps at the price of the travel card) for most journeys - until you start looking at monthly options.

Pay as you go caps

Make as many pay as you go journeys are you like using contactless or an Oyster card and we'll cap your fare

tfl.gov.uk

Caps and Travelcard prices

Covers Travelcards and Cap fares for Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line and most National Rail services.

tfl.gov.uk

I assumed it was about buying a travel card in London, where everyone uses oyster already. But that doesn't seem the case reading the article fully. It is the combined tickets which are popular from home counties going into London "Those who travel into London from elsewhere will have to pay for their National Rail fare into London, and then switch to Oyster". This only added a nominal amount onto the ticket and gave unlimited zone 1 to 6 travel for the day. Now it will cost over £8 for the cap for z1 and £15 for 1-6.

 

[Nitefly]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH are you sure? In TfL’s own words:

If you make several rail journeys, or a mixture of rail, bus and tram journeys in one day, daily capping is better value than buying a Day Travelcard in Zones 1-9.

@Trifid ah, ok I see - it’s about the combined rail/daycard fares.

I had always assumed there was a nominal saving in adding a day travel card onto a trail ticket, but that’s probably because I usually travel into zone 1/2 and stay overnight - so it’s just one journey per day.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH are you sure? In TfL’s own words:

If you make several rail journeys, or a mixture of rail, bus and tram journeys in one day, daily capping is better value than buying a Day Travelcard in Zones 1-9.

@Trifid ah, ok I see - it’s about the combined rail/daycard fares.

I had always assumed there was a nominal saving in adding a day travel card onto a trail ticket, but that’s probably because I usually travel into zone 1/2 and stay overnight - so it’s just one journey per day.

Its the combined fares. This is on top of the ulez expansion. In the outer boundaries the public transport is much worse. So it stung people also travelling into outer boundaries too. Now this on top.

So the UK again makes public transport more expensive and complicated. It's idiotically expensive to travel into London already as it is.

I am sure the political parties will start pointing at each other but ulez zones throughout the country and our public transport system are a recipe for disaster. One lot hates public transport and the other lot hates cars. It's lunacy.

 

[Trifid]

Engagement to withdraw Day Travelcards

Update 25 October 2023 Thank you for your input into our engagement earlier in the year via our Have Your Say webpage on the potential impacts of the withdrawal of the Day Travelcards on our network. We are pleased to confirm that after close collaboration with the Rail

haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk

Exact wording from TFL.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Engagement to withdraw Day Travelcards

Update 25 October 2023 Thank you for your input into our engagement earlier in the year via our Have Your Say webpage on the potential impacts of the withdrawal of the Day Travelcards on our network. We are pleased to confirm that after close collaboration with the Rail

haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk

Exact wording from TFL.

They removed the boast they would make at least £40 million extra from that web page. Probably will increase the week and monthly ones also after that despite the promise. Captive audience.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Travel cards have long been a cheap way to take day trips to London. As a family having to pay 4 capped TFL rates plus 4 train tickets is going to be a decent chunk more expensive. I can do a family travelcard into london for £64 for the 4 of us. Well the Tube for zone 1 is now going to be £36 ( unless there is a child's price) No way I'm getting the Train for 4 people for £28. This might change a cheap way to have a day out into a non starter.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Travel cards have long been a cheap way to take day trips to London. As a family having to pay 4 capped TFL rates plus 4 train tickets is going to be a decent chunk more expensive. I can do a family travelcard into london for £64 for the 4 of us. Well the Tube for zone 1 is now going to be £36 ( unless there is a child's price) No way I'm getting the Train for 4 people for £28. This might change a cheap way to have a day out into a non starter.

The day travelcard is already expensive for me even with a network railcard. I will be looking at closer to £30 for a single day now.

 

[Phemo]

That sucks. I dislike London so the only time I ever really go these days is for work but because of the ridiculous peak prices that hike won’t be too substantial.

Fareham to London in peak times is £88.70. Peak travelcard is £99. So the cost of standard return plus London travelcard is only £3.80 more. I’m sure the difference with off peak tickets is far more ridiculous though.

I think the fact that an 80 mile journey to London taking the best part of 2 hours costing almost £90 is scandalous in itself, but that’s a different topic.

 

[malachi]

Everyone move away from London and invest in other parts of the UK. Problem solved

 

[Hagar]

This is once again due to the incompetent government. The bailout they gave TfL during Covid came with attachments so they have to find ways to increase revenue.

So in words of ten letters or less please explain why national tax payers money should continue to prop up a service exclusively for people travelling through or in London.

 

[Hades]

This is once again due to the incompetent government. The bailout they gave TfL during Covid came with attachments so they have to find ways to increase revenue.

Surely that's the fault of TFL and the Mayor rather than the government?

 

[nver2000]

London and SE generate 36% of UK tax revenue. The surplus is distributed to the rest of the UK.
You could argue UK is too dependent on London and SE but that is an altogether different topic...

 

[delta0]

Paper travel cards. You still get one using a card.