COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Dr Jack]

I think that pretty much the entire world treats the Chinese virus in much the same way now.

Some countries have maintained better monitoring, and some are being more generous in vaccinating the population, but overall the UK is not much of an outlier here.

I expect that @Mr Jack is more concerned with the travelling than the arrival over here?

I'm coming over by ferry, so I'm not too worried about the travelling itself, it's more that we'll be meeting with a lot of different people and going out to pubs and restaurants a lot and generally mixing a lot more than usual.

And also that it'll suck if the people we're planning on seeing or staying with have to drop out because they're ill. Even worse if we get sick and stranded somewhere.

 

[Tykey]

Not to worry our glorious govt has decided its all over and no-one other than the really vunerable needs jabs anymore. So thats all sorted then. Rejoice, rejoice.

Not pleased about this. I'm seeing if i can get a private covid vaccine, as ever the NHS is pushing more and more towards private treatment.

 

[Dr Jack]

Not pleased about this. I'm seeing if i can get a private covid vaccine, as ever the NHS is pushing more and more towards private treatment.

Not expected to be available until next year, unfortunately. Given the economic costs of Covid, I'm really not sure why they're not keener on general vaccination. It makes no sense to me.

 

[Uther]

Not expected to be available until next year, unfortunately. Given the economic costs of Covid, I'm really not sure why they're not keener on general vaccination. It makes no sense to me.

They want people to pretend it's over / never happened.

 

[ebilcake]

There's no requirement to test anymore, it's basally a cold at this point. We have to learn to live with it, no more vaccines unless people are immunocompromised or elderly.

Given everything we know about the vaccine I would be surprised if healthy people wanted it anyway. Myocarditis Heart Damage in 1 Out of 35 Covid Vaccinations.....

 

[UTmaniac]

Not expected to be available until next year, unfortunately. Given the economic costs of Covid, I'm really not sure why they're not keener on general vaccination. It makes no sense to me.

What I find so baffling with the vaccine restrictions this winter is that Rishi signed a ten year deal with Moderna last Xmas.

UK cements 10-year-partnership with Moderna in major boost for vaccines and research

Moderna to invest in mRNA research and development (R&D) in the UK, and build a state-of-the-art vaccine manufacturing centre with the ability to produce up to 250 million vaccines a year.

www.gov.uk

 

[Orangeade]

Some countries have maintained better monitoring, and some are being more generous in vaccinating the population, but overall the UK is not much of an outlier here.



I'm coming over by ferry, so I'm not too worried about the travelling itself, it's more that we'll be meeting with a lot of different people and going out to pubs and restaurants a lot and generally mixing a lot more than usual.

And also that it'll suck if the people we're planning on seeing or staying with have to drop out because they're ill. Even worse if we get sick and stranded somewhere.

Honestly I think you will be fine. In Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria, Italy which I visit quite regularly, there is not a hint of the virus in terms of people talking about it or in terms of illness of people.

Really think it'll be a non event. I'm out usually 6 of the 7 days a week in restaurants/bars and its not of the slightest concern.

 

[Orangeade]

There's no requirement to test anymore, it's basally a cold at this point. We have to learn to live with it, no more vaccines unless people are immunocompromised or elderly.

Given everything we know about the vaccine I would be surprised if healthy people wanted it anyway. Myocarditis Heart Damage in 1 Out of 35 Covid Vaccinations.....

Is there any stats on the 1/35 ?

Interesting for me, I don't know many cases where it caused damage, then again most people I know didn't take it...

Anecdotally my lovely lady friend who is a very well respected swiss neurologist reported quite a few cases of post vaccine damage and two girls I know said that they believe it affected their fertility as apparently its gone a bit haywire there.

But 1/35 sounds alarming and surely cannot be the case as it'd be reported everywhere no? Millions would be going to heart clinics if it were the case?

 

[Dr Jack]

Honestly I think you will be fine. In Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria, Italy which I visit quite regularly, there is not a hint of the virus in terms of people talking about it or in terms of illness of people.

Really think it'll be a non event. I'm out usually 6 of the 7 days a week in restaurants/bars and its not of the slightest concern.

In general, I don't worry about it. But if this new variant is as bad as early signs suggest, and the timing brings the peak during that week then it is just particularly bad timing.

 

[Orangeade]

In general, I don't worry about it. But if this new variant is as bad as early signs suggest, and the timing brings the peak during that week then it is just particularly bad timing.

Honestly I think now that most people know they're not going to die from it, they'll just push through it like people do with the cold (not saying that's right, but already people are back in office when clearly ill etc). So hopefully your trip away won't be ruined by absences!

 

[Freefaller]

Honestly I think you will be fine. In Switzerland, France, Germany, Austria, Italy which I visit quite regularly, there is not a hint of the virus in terms of people talking about it or in terms of illness of people.

Really think it'll be a non event. I'm out usually 6 of the 7 days a week in restaurants/bars and its not of the slightest concern.

I travel a lot and COVID doesn't even register as a thing anymore. Hasn't for a while.

Just travel and enjoy life, worry less.

 

[CapitalOne]

There's no requirement to test anymore, it's basally a cold at this point. We have to learn to live with it, no more vaccines unless people are immunocompromised or elderly.

Given everything we know about the vaccine I would be surprised if healthy people wanted it anyway. Myocarditis Heart Damage in 1 Out of 35 Covid Vaccinations.....

So in the UK, at least one meeeeelllion people with that vaccine side effect?

Care to back that up buster?

Should be easy ”given everything we know about the vaccine”

 

[GGizmo]

There is something unnatural about covid. The body struggles to clear it. So whether it's the vaccine or getting covid multiple times eventually you're in danger of long covid.

I only had a mild case of covid. Yes I needed a low dose of oxygen and had to stay in hospital. But within a week the covid live virus died. But so far I'm yet to fully recover, approaching 9 months in September.

Millions of people are suffering from long covid. It is a growing number. We're heading for a disaster because we haven't beaten how covid works. It attacks the repair system of the body so the dead virus sits in the body which slows down recovery.

Covid itself might be like a cold now. But it's the after effects that are the main problem now. So do everything to avoid getting it.

 

[tom_e]

I only had a mild case of covid. Yes I needed a low dose of oxygen and had to stay in hospital. But within a week the covid live virus died. But so far I'm yet to fully recover, approaching 9 months in September.

Mild is having some cold symptoms for a week, not ending up in hospital on oxygen.

 

[GGizmo]

Mild is having some cold symptoms for a week, not ending up in hospital on oxygen.

I already have respiratory problems before covid. So for someone with no preexisting conditions it would be mild.

But I take your point.

 

[Dr Jack]

There is something unnatural about covid. The body struggles to clear it. So whether it's the vaccine or getting covid multiple times eventually you're in danger of long covid.

Unnatural is very much not the right word, but I know what you mean. The following is speculation on my part. SARS-CoV-2 is one of only a handful of Coronaviruses that can infect humans - and the first really serious one to reach wide circulation. What's more all four of the previously known Coronaviruses that infect humans appear to have entered the human population in the 20th century, probably the latter part thereof. That means that all of the Coronaviruses that the human immune system has encountered in recent evolutionary time are going to be occasional encounters with viruses in animals rather than an actual threat. I think this is why the immune system is bad at treating these viruses like a real threat and immunity is less lasting than with most viruses.

 

[Tephnos]

There is something unnatural about covid. The body struggles to clear it. So whether it's the vaccine or getting covid multiple times eventually you're in danger of long covid.

I only had a mild case of covid. Yes I needed a low dose of oxygen and had to stay in hospital. But within a week the covid live virus died. But so far I'm yet to fully recover, approaching 9 months in September.

Millions of people are suffering from long covid. It is a growing number. We're heading for a disaster because we haven't beaten how covid works. It attacks the repair system of the body so the dead virus sits in the body which slows down recovery.

Covid itself might be like a cold now. But it's the after effects that are the main problem now. So do everything to avoid getting it.

The unnatural part of covid is just the fact it jumped over to humans whose bodies aren't adapted to fight it off. Combined with it being a relatively high risk virus plus insanely good at spreading, and you have a monster.

 

[ebilcake]

Is there any stats on the 1/35 ?

Interesting for me, I don't know many cases where it caused damage, then again most people I know didn't take it...

Anecdotally my lovely lady friend who is a very well respected swiss neurologist reported quite a few cases of post vaccine damage and two girls I know said that they believe it affected their fertility as apparently its gone a bit haywire there.

But 1/35 sounds alarming and surely cannot be the case as it'd be reported everywhere no? Millions would be going to heart clinics if it were the case?

It is alarming. That level of risk should only be an option in a life and death situation. For most Covid is nowhere near that dangerous.

For those that aren't active it can heal so many probably won't know or it could takes years to manifest.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ejhf.2978

 

[Dr Jack]

It is alarming. That level of risk should only be an option in a life and death situation. For most Covid is nowhere near that dangerous.

For those that aren't active it can heal so many probably won't know or it could takes years to manifest.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ejhf.2978

Always funny when people cite a paper that directly contradicts the point they're making:

COVID-19 associates with a substantially higher risk for myocarditis that mRNA vaccination, and myocarditis related to COVID-19 infection has shown a higher mortality than myocarditis related to mRNA vaccination. Thus, for the majority of individuals, the overall very favourable risk–benefit ratio of booster immunizations persists.

The disease is massively more dangerous than the vaccine.

 

[Rroff]

There is something unnatural about covid. The body struggles to clear it. So whether it's the vaccine or getting covid multiple times eventually you're in danger of long covid.

I only had a mild case of covid. Yes I needed a low dose of oxygen and had to stay in hospital. But within a week the covid live virus died. But so far I'm yet to fully recover, approaching 9 months in September.

Millions of people are suffering from long covid. It is a growing number. We're heading for a disaster because we haven't beaten how covid works. It attacks the repair system of the body so the dead virus sits in the body which slows down recovery.

Covid itself might be like a cold now. But it's the after effects that are the main problem now. So do everything to avoid getting it.

As far as I know it is because of the way it can infect cells over a wider part of the body compared to the existing similar endemic diseases which are mostly confined to the respiratory tract. Some of the really nasty diseases are similarly able to infect the body more generally but fortunately don't spread as well and/or are contained.