Poll: The day finally came and I've had a bump

[jpaul]

from an insurance point of view this is going to be you at fault, with a potential of split (with you taking lion's share of liability). There are two lanes one the roundabout, yes I am aware the lines stop, however this is because BOTH roundabout lanes can come off at that exit. The left lane will NEVER cut across a lane that is coming off.

unfortunately what he said - why did you start moving right into offside lane as you left roundabout (to overtake polo ? - but you were quite a way back)
- if impact point is on the side of your car that would unfortunately show he was already occupying lane as you moved ?

 

[Diagro]

I'd say you were.
Why were you in the left lane? why did you switch from the right lane to the left lane?
You made a poor choice which led to the other person hitting you when they failed to check their mirror.

Both to blame.
You for setting up the possibility.
Him for not looking.

 

[Raymond Lin]

This is most likely be 50/50. Just report it, send them the video, give your statement, let insurance argue it out. If you have pain, go to your GP.

 

[Kenai]

Knowing that roundabout, the camera car trying to turn right from the left lane there is utterly daft.

 

[Quartz]

The Rule of the Road is 'Keep Left'. Absent other road markings the OP is in the correct lane.

 

[Kenai]

The Rule of the Road is 'Keep Left'.

Not to turn right on roundabouts it isn't.

 

[Delta3D]

I'd say both at fault here, however wouldn't be surprised if insurance say it's you at fault.

The Rule of the Road is 'Keep Left'. Absent other road markings the OP is in the correct lane.

That's for general roads ie motorways and dual carriage ways.

 

[Quartz]

Not to turn right on roundabouts it isn't.

Cite, please?

Rule 185 of the Highway Code says 'should', not 'must'.

 

[ICDP]

Note: None of this is from a legal perspective but my take on this is.

You were in the right (correct) lane before the lights, then moved over to the left (wrong) lane and proceeded to carry on past the exit. There are no left only marking so you have some mitigation there but the reality is there was no indicators signaling your intent and there was a car on your right that you were clearly not aware existed.

Look at it from the other drivers perspective.

1. You were in the right hand lane prior to the exit
2. You moved over to the left lane (this signals intent)
3. You did not indicate to show your intent to other road users that you were going to carry on past that exit. Your hazards were clearly audible post crash, so your indicators were definatley not on prior to the crash, or we would have heard them.

So as far as they are concerned you made a number of very poor choices that lead to a crash. You may get 50/50

 

[Quartz]

That's for general roads ie motorways and dual carriage ways.

Again, the Highway code does not say 'must'.

 

[Kenai]

Cite, please?

Rule 185 of the Highway Code says 'should', not 'must'.

You crack on turning right from the left lane if that's what you think, just keep a bloody good eye on your mirrors, because it sounds like it'll be a matter of time before you end up involved in a similar bump.

160
Once moving you should
keep to the left, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise. The exceptions are when you want to overtake, turn right or pass parked vehicles or pedestrians in the road

(note the word 'should' rather than 'must' in rule 160, as well as the exception about turning right)

186
Signals and position. When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
you should not normally need to signal on approach
stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

Note here 'Keep to the right until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout'

 

[ShiWarrior]

id say your at fault
you were in the wrong lane if you intended to go around the roundabout

where you indicating right by any chance ?
in that situation, id have slowed down more and made sure it was clear on my right before turning as you were "cutting" across to the roundabout

 

[Lopéz]

there's a 30 mph speed limit on roundabouts

This is not true.

 

[ICDP]

You crack on turning right from the left lane if that's what you think, just keep a bloody good eye on your mirrors, because it sounds like it'll be a matter of time before you end up involved in a similar bump.

Absolutely, the word "should" in the Highway code is not law, but it is based on the UK traffic laws and best practice. So good luck to anyone claiming no fault if they are clearly not following the highway code.

This is from the Highway code and specifically outlines the use of the words should (emphasis mine)

Rules in the Code which are legal requirements, and which you will be committing a criminal offense if you disobey, use the words “must/must not.” Violating other parts of the Code, which use the words “should/should not” or “do/do not”, can be used as evidence against you in Traffic Court, even if violating them is not an automatic criminal offense, so please pay attention to all parts of The Highway Code

 

[Quartz]

This is not true.

Learn something new every day.

 

[Littlenose]

I think we all agree, the left lane wasn't the best choice.
But I personally don't understand why the ultimate responsibility isn't with the car crossing the lane to ensure it's path is clear?

 

[Delta3D]

Again, the Highway code does not say 'must'.

Because the highway code is not a law.
If you read it you'll notice whenever it says "must" it is followed by the relevant road traffic act law.

The highway code says you "should" not tailgate, but if you do and end up going into the back of someone, then it's your fault. Same logic applies here, just because it says "should" doesn't mean you should ignore it.

I'm not sure where you're getting your info from given that you previously stated there's a 30 mph limit on roundabouts.

 

[ICDP]

id say your at fault
you were in the wrong lane if you intended to go around the roundabout

where you indicating right by any chance ?
in that situation, id have slowed down more and made sure it was clear on my right before turning as you were "cutting" across to the roundabout

You can hear the hazards post crash, so the indicator noise is audible. Prior to the crash and during previous lane changes there was no indication evident. So I would say they were not indicating.

 

[BUDFORCE]

One thing I guarantee you is the driver of the grey car isn't also a motorcyclist, otherwise they'd have looked.

It's exactly **** like this where on a motorcycle is doesn't matter who's right or wrong.

 

[koolpc]

If you were going right, surely you were in the wrong lane?

To me, it looks like you were positioned to go left.

I think you were to blame.