That just means games will become even more demanding though, look at games that have released recently that require upscaling to play even on the latest hardware.
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7800XT is going to be a 5-year card!
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Looks like that's where it's heading, just enough raster to compliment upscaling
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I love how people make up their own prices, as stated multiple times
it was £520 - only £40 more than the 3 year old 6800xt in a dress 7800xt, with FAR more better modern features/future proofing for the next few years!As I've already proven and as everyone is well aware, games are Nvidia biased and clearly better optimised, when side by side with my mates 6800xt I use 3.1gb less vram in EVERY game (bar BG3/D4, as we dont own/care for either) so actual vram usage whilst gaming means mine uses less thus the remaining amount ends up the same as a 6800xt with it's extra vram, so neither card will have an issue... When it does I'll cheat with Frame Gen/DLSS3.5...
Oh and FYI last month when I checked my card was still £520 and often can be still had for that if you buy the white version, but the price does fluctuates to £539.99 depending on the day.
But other brands aside from asus can be had for less, I even put up a screenshot of the pricing yesterday... £40-50 more than a 7800xt with a FAR better feature set/future proofing is a no brainer for a decent brand and a 3 year warranty!
And as said not all games are on GFN and I'd rather have a card in 2-3 years I can sell and have saved as previously mentioned a fair whack on electric per year with my daily 6 hour usage and end up getting my money back vs running the 6950/7900xt I had originally planned on
Free money is free money!
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No it doesn't. Bar Starfield an AMD biased title, I haven't 'had' to use it once. I'm not personally into triple digit SP gaming - I think it's pointless and would rather highest graphics settings/res around 60fps locked, but dlss is there if you want say 120-130fps at 1440p maxed out in CP, which it'll do all day long. But you don't have to use it.
That's the difference from actually giving up a day of your time and so returns postage to try something different out vs letting clickbait shills on youtube decide what you spend your money on...
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So how come people that actually own the 6950xt moan it uses at peak 150w more than a 6900xt along with the 7900xt/xtx peaking around 450w etc, hence why you can get 3 180w per 8pin 6950/7900xt/xtx cards + the 75w iirc the pci-e slot pulls...
Many people including Wendle proved you can be above 500w with an OC on these days! F that!
And no I'm not being conservative about undervolting the 6950xt, they're stupidly pushing their luck as a 6900xt on roids out the gate so do not respond well to undervolting, resulting in having to underclock and power limit them thus loosing performance, thus you may as well have just got a 6900xt at that point, and the 7900xt uses more wattage than me whilst undervolted just doing 1080p ultra, and as the owners warned me, the more games get more advanced the more you'll push back upto that 320-450w peak, mine will NEVER do that as it's 200w stock and undervolts like a demon, so the worst it can physically ever use even at 4k is 145w, as I literally tested it with a wall meter and every app you can use be it oem nvidia/msi afterburner/asus software etc etc and it matches up with what the draw at the wall says when added up.
Either way wether I'm saving £90 a year or £192, it's free money and gives me a silent cool running rig with no nasty coil wine that doesn't run the gpu at 90c with coil wine and a rubbish 1 year warranty (hello oem amd ref 6950xt F that!) or a 2 year warranty with coil wine that ocuk etc etc refuse to treat as faulty (seen MANY complaints about this on this forum since release) and a 2 year warranty, vs my 3 year silent/cool running/efficient setup.
Wether I end up with just shy of £300 based on your maths in 3 years or end up with more it's still free money vs running the alternative sauna noise fest with no warranty after a year! I'll take my free money in 2-3 years and sell the card and still have my money or more back towards a new card in 2026, so I cannot loose!
Anyways, I haven't got an issue with you, you see why I chose what I chose, and why in my situation it pays off, literally and gives me a very good bang per buck cool running silent rig for the next 2-3 years with some nice future proofing. I'm gonna leave it at that now as there's nothing else more to say that I haven't already. Enjoy your weekend boss!
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I hope you two aren't talking about Starfield?
Because Starfield looks like absolute dog ####, it has no right being that hard to run.Nah it was a UE5 game I think, starfield needs a high res texture pack imo.I hope you two aren't talking about Starfield?
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I wasn't trying to make a value call on which card is better. Just pointing out that you are likely overestimating the amount of money you are saving. I myself am weighing up the merits of the 4070 and 7800xt.
Doing a quick search on other websites (OCUK is too expensive) you can get a 7800xt for £489.99 or a 4070 for £529. Even with Starfield included (which is worthless to me) the price of the 7800xt is way to expensive in my opinion. The loss of DLSS, Ray Reconstruction, Frame Generation, hardware G-sync support for my monitor, ray tracing performance and even power efficiency puts me right off of the 7800XT at it's current price. The extra raster performance of the 7800XT is not enough to make up for the loss of those features.
The 7800XT would need to be about £429 to the 4070's £529 for me to consider it.
AMD need to get their FSR and Ray Tracing performance up to the same standard as Nvidia before they can justifiably charge similar amounts.
How is a 4070 futureproofed when it's slower in the majority of games than my 3 year old card that only cost me £129 more.I love how people make up their own prices, as stated multiple times
I hope you two aren't talking about Starfield?
Yeah, It never looked impressive at all, and from what I have seen of the game play it's very mid. It's a space game, and there's masses of space nerds, it's from a well-known studio, it has huge mod support, so it's going to get better in time.
But on seeing the game it was not an incentive to buy a card before the promotion runs out.
Its not really a space game, it has a space theme, that's about it ^^^^
The lighting in Starfield is also awful, its not just that it often has a weird green tint or that its washed out, you can fix that with mods, all of the lighting in Starfield is completely flat and lifeless, can't fix that with mods, needs a lighting artist with skill to go in there and redo the whole thing.
The lighting in Starfield is also awful, its not just that it often has a weird green tint or that its washed out, you can fix that with mods, all of the lighting in Starfield is completely flat and lifeless, can't fix that with mods, needs a lighting artist with skill to go in there and redo the whole thing.
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I love how people make up their own prices, as stated multiple times it was £520 - only £40 more than the 3 year old 6800xt in a dress 7800xt, with FAR more better modern features/future proofing for the next few years!
Future proof with 12GB? - good luck with that!
I love how people make up their own prices, as stated multiple times
it was £520 - only £40 more than the 3 year old 6800xt in a dress 7800xt, with FAR more better modern features/future proofing for the next few years!Future proof with 12GB? - good luck with that!
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It does look like something from 10 years ago.
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I love how people make up their own prices, as stated multiple times
Future proof with 12GB? - good luck with that!
I think it depends on what resolution you are playing at. I think for 1440p a 4070 will be fine for a few years yet. My 3060ti is still holding up pretty well with only 8GB so long as you lower settings enough.
They said that about 8-10GB and here we are, lowering settings...
I saw this coming 2 years ago and got a 12GB card, next one will be 16GB minimum. 12GB isn't going to hold up for very long either. That's why Nvidia keep short-changing on VRAM - because they know people will upgrade sooner. Nvidia have been 4GB behind the curve for years.
The absolute state of the 4070ti with only 12GB at an avg price of roundabout £850 defies belief!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Cards
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti uses an innovative 4NM process along with the latest ray tracing technology and AI learning to produce stunning graphics.
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They said that about 8-10GB and here we are, lowering settings...
I saw this coming 2 years ago and got a 12GB card, next one will be 16GB minimum. 12GB isn't going to hold up for very long either. That's why Nvidia keep short-changing on VRAM - because they know people will upgrade sooner. Nvidia have been 4GB behind the curve for years.
The absolute state of the 4070ti with only 12GB at an avg price of roundabout £850 defies belief!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Cards
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti uses an innovative 4NM process along with the latest ray tracing technology and AI learning to produce stunning graphics.
It is mental that a 12GB card should cost that much in 2023, and i agree, a 12GB card is not something that i think has much longevity.
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if you having to lower settings that for me is not holding up well, but fair enough if thats still good enough for you
A 4070ti has the same performance gap to a 4090 as the 3060ti had to a 3090 so in a couple of years time I'd expect the 4070ti will feel like a 3060ti does in games right now.They said that about 8-10GB and here we are, lowering settings...
I saw this coming 2 years ago and got a 12GB card, next one will be 16GB minimum. 12GB isn't going to hold up for very long either. That's why Nvidia keep short-changing on VRAM - because they know people will upgrade sooner. Nvidia have been 4GB behind the curve for years.
The absolute state of the 4070ti with only 12GB at an avg price of roundabout £850 defies belief!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Cards
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti uses an innovative 4NM process along with the latest ray tracing technology and AI learning to produce stunning graphics.
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They said that about 8-10GB and here we are, lowering settings...
I saw this coming 2 years ago and got a 12GB card, next one will be 16GB minimum. 12GB isn't going to hold up for very long either. That's why Nvidia keep short-changing on VRAM - because they know people will upgrade sooner. Nvidia have been 4GB behind the curve for years.
The absolute state of the 4070ti with only 12GB at an avg price of roundabout £850 defies belief!
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Cards
The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti uses an innovative 4NM process along with the latest ray tracing technology and AI learning to produce stunning graphics.
I mean if you really must run everything on ultra then maybe 12GB won't be enough but personally I usually can't tell the difference between high and ultra. I really don't think that within the next 2 years 12GB will be insufficient for the vast majority of games. There will be a few really badly optimized outliers that require 16GB but that will be the minority and you really shouldn't be giving games companies your money for games that are sold in such a state.
If you keep a card for 2 years then sell it on, a 4070 is the more appealing card to me vs the 7800XT.
But then again this thread is talking about a 5 year card and I can't tell the future. I suspect the 7800XT will be the better card by year 5.