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You'll not be getting 4-5 miles/Kwh as an average consumption out of a Kona (or Niro) and anyone telling you otherwise isn't being honest with themselves or you.

You may get up to 4.5-5 on a relatively slow drive (e.g. 50mph roads) over a reasonable (say 30 mile) distance in a beautiful day in summer but it will be below 4 in the winter. As an average I'd expect no more than 4 miles/kwh over a year and the Niro has higher consumption than a Kona, its a bigger car. In my Model 3, I average just above 4 miles/kwh over 2 years/23k miles and its one of the most efficient cars on the market alongside the Kona and the original Ionic.

What they also probably forget to mention is that there are charging losses, for every 50kwh you pay for, only 45-46kwh actually ends up in your battery for you to use. Every time you pre-heat the car, you burn through a bunch of energy that isn't counted by the trip computer. I don't know what my 'real' consumption is but I'd hazard a guess that it is closer to 3.5 miles/kwh than it is to 4 miles/kwh per the trip computer.

If you do lots of short journeys, I'd expect your 'real' consumption will be closer to 3 miles/kwh than 3.5miles/kwh.

I'll be honest, as much as I suggest people should go EV, I only suggest they do it if they have somewhere they can charge the car where they normally park it (e.g. at home or work). Despite now being on my second EV, it being our only car and I'd not go back to ICE, I wouldn't buy one if I couldn't charge it up at home (which is where the car is normally parked).

I used a public AC charger recently which was a 'reasonable' 47p/kwh, it was begrudgingly so to save a bit of time, particularly knowing the Tesla superchargers are 25% cheaper most of the time.
 
keyser van someone said:
Found a pub near me with 1x CCS charger, would prefer 2+ chargers really for less waiting/issues.

Using that as an example it's price is 75p per kWh so ~8000 miles per year, divided by miles per kW efficiently which is ~4-5 in an e-Niro apparently, 2000-1600 kW per year = £1500 - £1200. That's between the same as what I pay now and £300 more, per year, seems fine, until I get a place with a drive.

edit: There's a few sites between me and work as well with 2 and 3 chargers so should be fine in terms of having a place to charge.

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Unless you're doing 30mph everywhere on long journeys with minimal heating, you aren't getting 4-5mpkw in a Niro. Mine is currently averaging 3.3, that's on short local journeys with the odd longer trip thrown in. It was hovering around 4.1 in summer, dropping to 3.7 on long motorway journeys.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great car, but I can only echo others saying it's unlikely to be worth it if you don't have the benefit of cheap charging at home/work. That 75p in your example is 10x what I pay to charge mine! :(

Edit: if you get the heat pump then your winter figures might be better than mine, but still nowhere near 4-5
 
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Tinders said:
Tesla have the charging side of things nailed on, I noticed my local shopping centre (merry hell:p) now has Tesla SC's. They are very well priced aswell.
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That monorail investment finally paying off for them :cry: (I imagine they laid mega cables and power infra decades ago).
 
As for 22kw vs 11kw vs 7kw debate, I'd not worry about it so much.

22kw chargers are all well and good but most cars on the market can only take up to 11kw. 11kw is ~50% faster than 7kw which is handy and the tend to be the same price which is great*.

*BUT (there is always a 'but'), once you get an EV, you'll soon realise the biggest bottleneck to the infrastructure is the available power at a given site. For every 22kw charger they can install, they can install 7kw chargers. If the infrastructure is in the right location and priced appropriately, it gets used, even now when nearly all EV owners charge at home. You'll quickly shift to wanting 3x the number of available plugs than a slightly faster plug that isn't available because they are all in use.

11kw chargers are seldom installed because they only deliver 16a/3.6kw per phase. For as many cars that can charge at 22kw, there are loads more than can only charge at 7kw on a single phase. That means on an 11kw charger those cars are limited to 3.6kw which is rubbish so it tends to be 22kw or 7kw only.

So as much as I like the benefit of 22/11kw charging when it is available, most of the time I'd prefer there to be 3x as many charge points to use.
 
Tinders said:
I’m old enough to have ridden on the monorail
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I'm old enough to have taken my eldest daughter on it. :eek:

The zest chargers are cheap enough to use as a parking spot if the normal spots are busy, and the ones next to m&s get you right by the shops as such
 
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keyser van someone said:
Found a pub near me with 1x CCS charger, would prefer 2+ chargers really for less waiting/issues.

Using that as an example it's price is 75p per kWh so ~8000 miles per year, divided by miles per kW efficiently which is ~4-5 in an e-Niro apparently, 2000-1600 kW per year = £1500 - £1200. That's between the same as what I pay now and £300 more, per year, seems fine, until I get a place with a drive.

edit: There's a few sites between me and work as well with 2 and 3 chargers so should be fine in terms of having a place to charge.

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Have you looked if any locals near you rent out their home charger overnight? You can see these on zap map (as zap map home) and on the app co charger. I offer mine out on both for locals and have had a reasonable amount of interest from locals that havent had their charger installed yet or visiting family members of locals.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I'll be honest, as much as I suggest people should go EV, I only suggest they do it if they have somewhere they can charge the car where they normally park it (e.g. at home or work). Despite now being on my second EV, it being our only car and I'd not go back to ICE, I wouldn't buy one if I couldn't charge it up at home (which is where the car is normally parked).
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100% agree with this.

I ordered an EV in October 2020 and was planning just to charge locally rather than get a home charger.

The next month my mother in law died completely unexpectedly and we were regularly making a 100 mile round trip to deal with the aftermath (looking after a 95 year old grandmother). At that point I still had my petrol E class.

That's when I realised I needed a 7kW charger at home.
 
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what’s that got to do with price of fish Pope? We are talking charging behaviours here. Insurance is benign to the powertrain.

Did you not ask Santa for a clue this year?
 
i followed an EV6 on a road trip to the inlaws this morning. a nice car and was on the shortlist when we got the ipace
ultimately we chose the ipace, partly because I figured a 2.5 year old ipace at the same price as a 1 year old EV6 would depreciate less (that is not panning out so far ;) )

after having a nosey i still think we made the right decision for us.... I would say the EV6 is the better EV, but as a car I will take the ipace every time.

that said it really depends on your specific needs and I don't think either car would have dissapointed.
 
jpaul said:
haven't seen if @keyser van someone has elaborated insurance for different options
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Kona and e-Niro are around the 24/26 group, which works out to a quote around £1500 per year I think, I think all EVs are higher insurance group because they're generally faster and more expensive than petrol.

My fav ICE car Ford Puma is also getting an electric version in 2024, I'm unlikely to get something that new and expensive though. I'm more likely going to go for the cheaper options between Kona and e-Niro, both have the same platform underneath I think, but still won't be ready to purchase until 2025! Just doing research, but have been interested in EVs for a long time :)
 
bigmike20vt said:
i followed an EV6 on a road trip to the inlaws this morning. a nice car and was on the shortlist when we got the ipace
ultimately we chose the ipace, partly because I figured a 2.5 year old ipace at the same price as a 1 year old EV6 would depreciate less (that is not panning out so far ;) )

after having a nosey i still think we made the right decision for us.... I would say the EV6 is the better EV, but as a car I will take the ipace every time.

that said it really depends on your specific needs and I don't think either car would have dissapointed.
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Hey big Mike, apologies if this is elsewhere, but how did you approach/mitigate the whole potential leaky windscreen on your purchase journey? I've fallen into the "reading too much" trap during my research :(.
 
VincentHanna said:
100% agree with this.

I ordered an EV in October 2020 and was planning just to charge locally rather than get a home charger.

The next month my mother in law died completely unexpectedly and we were regularly making a 100 mile round trip to deal with the aftermath (looking after a 95 year old grandmother). At that point I still had my petrol E class.

That's when I realised I needed a 7kW charger at home.
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For similar reasons, I think I would always need to have at least one car, thats either an ICE or PHEV. Even if our other car is an EV that does 95% of our journeys. At least as things stand at the moment.

Someone might invent some other fuel that obsoletes everything else.
 
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OspreyO said:
For similar reasons, I think I would always need to have at least one car, thats either an ICE or PHEV. Even if our other car is an EV that does 95% of our journeys. At least as things stand at the moment.

Someone might invent some other fuel that obsoletes everything else.
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like electric and say 50,000 chargers :eek:
 
Griffo said:
Hey big Mike, apologies if this is elsewhere, but how did you approach/mitigate the whole potential leaky windscreen on your purchase journey? I've fallen into the "reading too much" trap during my research :(.
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I didn't. infact I hadn't heard of it being a potential issue until after I had decided to buy. (I did have to have a new glass roof installed on it however due to a crack in it)
IF there was a design problem with the windscreen one would hope it would have been addressed in the 2020 MY21 facelift. no idea if this is the case however

I have bought the extended warranty however
 
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