Executed by nitrogen gas

jaybee said:
It's not a lack of compassion I don't think, or "bloodthirsty". It's a lack of caring at that point. All the things in the world to worry about, and we place the last few minutes of someone on death row as valid to ticking whatever boxes are deemed to be at the correct level oh being humane in terms of dying. That's sad to me. I'm saying I don't and won't ever care about that. They will be dead shortly anyway like I say. Move on.
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Well I hope you're never in a position to witness an execution or in a situation where you have to bear the weight of that responsibility, personally I couldn't live with that.
 
Freefaller said:
no one needs to conform to my opinions - people are free to believe what they want. I just find the bloodthirstiness and lack of compassion / humanity / forgiveness pretty sad to be honest. We have a long way to go before becoming a better race it seems.

Again, if you;'re in a life or death situation, then that's different. This is pre-meditated death which takes decades to get to - I find that pretty gross as a concept. Of course the crime committed is equally or if not far more heinous, but celebrating the death of someone who may or may not regret their actions I find oddly tribal and not fitting with a so called progressive and modern society.
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Celebrating?! wtf Where is anyone celebrating? Who said that?
 
jaybee said:
It's not a lack of compassion I don't think, or "bloodthirsty". It's a lack of caring at that point.
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A lack of caring is literally a lack of compassion.

I'm not judging anyone for being for the death penalty just as I wouldn't expect anyone to judge me for being agaisnt the death penalty.

What I do judge is the way people act as if it's just a jolly old time executing someone. Then what about when you have a nice time executing someone innocent. Not only did they die, they died in horrible circumstances.
 
jaybee said:
Celebrating?! wtf Where is anyone celebrating? Who said that?
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Guilty conscious? :D :D :D

Lots of people seem quite casually enjoying the discussion of ways to execute people. The nonchalance of it can be attributed to some form of celebration. It's rife across the thread.
 
That's disturbing then. I'm saying for me personally, it's a job that needs doing. I don't really care how it is done if it meets the end goal within reason. It shouldn't take 26 minutes like in the OP no, but do I care that it did? No.
 
Remind me the reason that they don't just shoot people in side of head, is it just the mess? Or use the thing people kills cattle with...

P.s I'm not saying I support the death penalty....just the whole thing seems over engineered...
 
Junglist said:
What I do judge is the way people act as if it's just a jolly old time executing someone. Then what about when you have a nice time executing someone innocent. Not only did they die, they died in horrible circumstances.
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That's moving the goal posts though. A whole different discussion.
We're talking about how someone is killed and the duration. Not whether they were guilty or not and the emotional implications of the executioner afterwards.
 
jaybee said:
It's not a lack of compassion I don't think, or "bloodthirsty". It's a lack of caring at that point. All the things in the world to worry about, and we place the last few minutes of someone on death row as valid to ticking whatever boxes are deemed to be at the correct level of being humane in terms of dying. That's sad to me. I'm saying I don't and won't ever care about that. They will be dead shortly anyway like I say. Move on.
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Noting the prolonged suffering inflicted by this nitrogen gas execution, would you be against it being used again?

A hypothetical letter arrives in the post, and mandates that you must choose the execution method of the next death row inmate, are you checking the "I don't care, use whatever method", "Nitrogen gas" or the "Quickest and most painless option possible" box?
 
PermaChanged said:
Noting the prolonged suffering inflicted by this nitrogen gas execution, would you be against it being used again?

A hypothetical letter arrives in the post, and mandates that you must choose the execution method of the next death row inmate, are you checking the "I don't care, use whatever method", "Nitrogen gas" or the "Quickest and most painless option possible" box?
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That's interesting that you grouped quickest and painless in the same option. They should go hand in hand, in that quicker = less pain. But that might not necessarily be the case. We don't know because the last time I checked, we couldn't ask someone what dying felt like. So we have to make educated guesses. I share the same view as others... I wonder why we can't just shoot them from point blank range evaporating their skull. Ideally we would all like to die in a way where pain is not possible and to go from existing to not existing in micro seconds. I assume shot to the head is not a usable method for a variety of reasons, namely that a funeral with a "complete" body is stipulated to be a requirement after execution? The mess etc.

I would obviously favour quick, efficient, repeatable, easy for executioner to do with the least lasting effects in administering it. Pain would come last on the priority list as long as it did not conflict with "lasting effects" on executioner and witnesses.
These are people on death row with some of the worst crimes imaginable with no regard for the pain they inflicted on others.
 
I was reading about sarco pods after a casual chat with my chiropodist today, and looked them up. What confused me was they were touting themselves as pain free, and I am pro euthanasia, but the method the pod uses appears to be nitrogen gas.

So is nitrogen gas painful or not?
 
Freefaller said:
Guilty conscious? :D :D :D

Lots of people seem quite casually enjoying the discussion of ways to execute people. The nonchalance of it can be attributed to some form of celebration. It's rife across the thread.
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For a newcomer to the thread, can you show me the celebrations?
 
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jaybee said:
That's moving the goal posts though. A whole different discussion.
We're talking about how someone is killed and the duration. Not whether they were guilty or not and the emotional implications of the executioner afterwards.
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I’m not moving the goal posts. My stance the entire thread is that I’m against the death penalty.

I wish it wasn’t a thing but in reality, it is. If it’s going to be administered then I can only agree with a way which is humane. For the execution which has just happened I don’t really agree with it because I think that duration is far too long.

If the alternative was the shooting range while I still wouldn’t agree with the execution itself I don’t think I’d have much of an argument with the fact that the prisoner would be dead fairly quickly which in my eyes is humane.

I don’t think people who believe in capital punishment as a legitimate punishment as edgy at all. There are just people who post about it as if taking another life isn’t a big deal, even if they are convincted criminals.
 
Lartyconshayo said:
I was reading about sarco pods after a casual chat with my chiropodist today, and looked them up. What confused me was they were touting themselves as pain free, and I am pro euthanasia, but the method the pod uses appears to be nitrogen gas.

So is nitrogen gas painful or not?
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From a quick read, those pods are designed in a way to also maintain a very low CO2 level which in turn is meant to prevent the panic response kicking in. Supposedly you become dizzy and then very quickly go unconscious.

"...It is used in conjunction with an inert gas (nitrogen) which decreases oxygen levels rapidly which prevents panic, sense of suffocation and struggling before unconsciousness, known as the hypercapnic alarm response[4]: 45  caused by the presence of high carbon dioxide concentrations in the blood"

"According to Nitschke, 'The occupant presses the button and the capsule is filled with nitrogen. They will feel a bit dizzy but will then rapidly lose consciousness and die'"
 
Lartyconshayo said:
I was reading about sarco pods after a casual chat with my chiropodist today, and looked them up. What confused me was they were touting themselves as pain free, and I am pro euthanasia, but the method the pod uses appears to be nitrogen gas.

So is nitrogen gas painful or not?
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If you hold your breath then CO2 build up will engage panic and you’ll be partying like it’s 1970s constrained-space disco.. all on your own.

Also wonder - who cleans up after? Does a bloke with a truck and arm come over and hoist you into the back along with all the other uses pods?
 
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