Anyone moved to mini PC?

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I barely touch my old gaming PC these days. The tower weighs a ton, it's full of LED case fans which sound like a aircraft taking off when it powers on, it's probably sucking huge amounts of power as well, so I'm thinking for my usage, just downsize to one of those mini pcs.

I'm looking at a Ryzen 5800H, 32GB DDR4, 500gb nvme ssd spec. Watched loads of youtube videos on these and they seem incredible, they game reasonably well, can be mounted to the rear of most monitors and are almost silent. Have I missed anything?

My uses: Internet browsing, youtube, word, powerpoint, excel, light gaming.
 
Not moved to a mini PC - I do far too much stuff which needs a decent GPU - but I've certainly been embracing them more in my life and they've replaced many of my secondary systems which used to be full towers, etc. some of them are pretty much silent (one I'm using is a MeLe fanless) aside from some sometimes slight coil whine/buzzing from the power adapter.
 
FWIW, I know this isn't a Mini PC experience but I relate having moved from a Mac Mini to a MITX and a MATX mid size tower last year...

So I lived with a Mac Mini for a year and loved it, silent, tiny, all the desk space/zero clutter, the perfect OS I prefer (I have macbook pro's as well) and the ability to boot into windows/linux as required...

Then I decided I wanted another gaming PC after a 15 year hiatus, it had to be silent, so needed to be atleast a mid tower with loads of mesh/140mm fans, as I don't like watercooling. So I built one last year... Whilst doing this a friend had a MITX very small/compact broken build for sale, I couldn't resist and bought/upgraded/fixed that too...

The mid tower was great, I used it solidly daily for 4 months at the desk on my old 24" 1080p monitor, then I bought a nice 32" 1440p/165Hz monitor for it, it was proper overkill for daily usage stuff when not gaming, I eventually sold the Mac Mini due to lack of use, but missed Mac OS and having the leg room under the desk/risk of kicking it/sucking in dust...

Anytime I'd game I couldn't get the whole "I've got a 65" 4K TV 2 metres behind me, what am I doing?" factor out of my head? As it was only built for gaming, so I decided to try it under the TV (of which I'd deliberately spec'ed the case size as a backup to fit under) and move the MITX that was living under the TV, to the desk...

Ever since moving it, I couldn't go back to SP gaming on a monitor...
Safe to say, the mid tower in my sig now lives under the TV :cry: and is only powered on to play SP games on the tv with a controller - which I really enjoy and gives the best experience due to a 65" 4K TV...
Because it just 'feels' like a console, and we grew up gaming on consoles way before PC's, so in my mind it feels the purist/most seamless SP gaming experience...
Which means whenever I use it, it's sucha visceral experience and I love it, the trouble is, there's no new games and I've literally played or replayed everything, so it mainly gathers dust now. BUT when I use it, it feels special everytime...

The MITX Ryzentosh/Win10 dual boot build, literally fits under that 32" 1440P 165Hz monitor (thanks to a vesa mount foot I already owned to get the eye level just right where I'm tall) and I use that all the time everyday, because it 'just works' for 'PC stuff', you know? And I can freely upgrade it as I see fit (which I have many times in the last year of ownership)
It's only a 3600/B450i/16GB ram/RX 570 8GB, but it's silent, runs cool enough even rammed up against the wall, gives me infinite desk space, and does everything I need it to do, and I can simply boot into Win10 to use steam and play some CS when I feel like it then in seconds be back to doing other stuff in macos.

I like having 1 for 1 thing and 1 for another, whenever I have the 'desk experience' with the MITX Ryzentosh, it feels just as special as using the mid tower under the TV for gaming, I think for doing 'PC stuff' it should be a desk experience/feel like a PC/Mac, and gaming should feel like gaming, so both serve their own functions, if that makes sense? So if you have a Mini PC and gain the spacious/silence factor on your desk, you are winning, I also felt the same regarding having something rinsing electric for no reason/wasting it's use case scenario for trival things like browsing most of the time. Seperating them, was the best thing I did :)

So TLDR, Mini PC, Mac Mini or SFF for daily use over a mid/full size PC anyday, it really annoyed me having the tower under the desk taking up leg room, and my desk although massive, has beast size speakers either side of the monitor, and I didn't like the idea of moving them nor having a tower on it taking up a load of room. The fact I could just fit this in a backpack and take it anywhere is also a bonus, with a Mini PC you'd be even better!

With things like NUC's and the Ryzen versions etc, you are literally spoilt for choice these days, so just pick your poison, you can literally have your cake and eat it for your use case. You won't regret it!

Oh as for your name... I've owned/built/modified 5 E36's ;) 4 coupes and 1 saloon, the last one I miss everyday and currently lives in Germany and is used as a ringtoy/driftcar. You have very good taste sir :D:p
 
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Cheers all, the more reviews I watch about them online the more I'm convinced it's the best move for me. I've already downsized my monitor from a 49" ultra wide Samsung to a 34", next up is the PC. I think from selling my current tower I should be able to get most my money back but let's see.
 
Blimey, all the e36 owners are out today lol. That must have been 20 odd years ago when I joined the forums, from the e36 320 I went to an estoril blue e46 clubsport 3.0l petrol, as much as I liked the e36 I always preferred the e46. Kids came along shortly after and I had to be more sensible :(
 
Blimey, all the e36 owners are out today lol. That must have been 20 odd years ago when I joined the forums, from the e36 320 I went to an estoril blue e46 clubsport 3.0l petrol, as much as I liked the e36 I always preferred the e46. Kids came along shortly after and I had to be more sensible :(
We're a dying breed....

My first e36 328i had an LSD and I went to an e46 330D for economy reasons, it was a sad day...

I've got 3 children now and a 328i vert :p But it's not my daily
 
I've moved my server into a mini pc. It sits on a shelf so it doesn't take up any room on my desk.

I'd never recommend a mini case for a gaming pc because you're limited on what graphics card you can buy. There's often special offer on graphics cards or theres the MM etc. You'd have to turn down most of these offers if you have a mini case. Especially if there's another mining crisis you can't afford to be picky.
 
We're a dying breed....

My first e36 328i had an LSD and I went to an e46 330D for economy reasons, it was a sad day...

I've got 3 children now and a 328i vert :p But it's not my daily
I had a 3.15 ratio medium case M3 LSD fully rebuilt - cost me over 2K just in parts, went OTT like reinforced top hat bolts/thicker dog and friction plates, every bearing/fitting you name it I had it, setup as 1.5 way ramp angle wise with 60% lock, IIRC same diff used in some spicy old school Porsche race cars. Was very bitey/spicy, perfect for drifting.

Stupid spec that last E36 was, 2 of 500 ever made Recaros for a hologation special road car, made custom subframes for them with sliders, about 4K in coilovers/arms/poly bushes (all powerflex black series so stupid money per bush) 9 different full sets of wheels, all the tasty vadar black m3 interior which worked perfectly with the recaros, fully custom stainless exhaust made to order from Germany that took 3 months to wait for, M50 manifold swapped M52B28 with a proper map and raised limiter, M3 gearbox, aircon delete, major amounts of bodywork and welding over the years, LTW GT2 adjustable 4 piece wing, multiple sets of headlights/fogs depending on the style I fancied (be it euro yellows/retro fitted angel eyes/clears/combinations of all of the into genuine bosch oem headlights) etc etc, IIRC about 15-20 grand across the 5 E36's I built across 8 years including buying them, and they were all mint and low mileage...

If you want a heart attack a rusty rear arched scratched up ropey manual genuine 328 Sport in manual coupe wise goes for 8-16k now depending on condition/mileage... Tech 2 E30 325i Sport 16-25k... Madness!

My mate has built a E39 M5 S62B50 V8 swapped E30 coupe, along with a E39 540i 4.4L V8 swapped E36, both RHD and harder to do due to the steering rack U join/connection and manifolds, the M5 engined E30 even runs posh waterless coolant haha!

If you couldn't tell I've chosen to continue wasting spending money on cars versus having kids haha.
 
I had a 3.15 ratio medium case M3 LSD fully rebuilt - cost me over 2K just in parts, went OTT like reinforced top hat bolts/thicker dog and friction plates, every bearing/fitting you name it I had it, setup as 1.5 way ramp angle wise with 60% lock, IIRC same diff used in some spicy old school Porsche race cars. Was very bitey/spicy, perfect for drifting.

Stupid spec that last E36 was, 2 of 500 ever made Recaros for a hologation special road car, made custom subframes for them with sliders, about 4K in coilovers/arms/poly bushes (all powerflex black series so stupid money per bush) 9 different full sets of wheels, all the tasty vadar black m3 interior which worked perfectly with the recaros, fully custom stainless exhaust made to order from Germany that took 3 months to wait for, M50 manifold swapped M52B28 with a proper map and raised limiter, M3 gearbox, aircon delete, major amounts of bodywork and welding over the years, LTW GT2 adjustable 4 piece wing, multiple sets of headlights/fogs depending on the style I fancied (be it euro yellows/retro fitted angel eyes/clears/combinations of all of the into genuine bosch oem headlights) etc etc, IIRC about 15-20 grand across the 5 E36's I built across 8 years including buying them, and they were all mint and low mileage...

If you want a heart attack a rusty rear arched scratched up ropey manual genuine 328 Sport in manual coupe wise goes for 8-16k now depending on condition/mileage... Tech 2 E30 325i Sport 16-25k... Madness!

My mate has built a E39 M5 S62B50 V8 swapped E30 coupe, along with a E39 540i 4.4L V8 swapped E36, both RHD and harder to do due to the steering rack U join/connection and manifolds, the M5 engined E30 even runs posh waterless coolant haha!

If you couldn't tell I've chosen to continue wasting spending money on cars versus having kids haha.
That sounds awesome :p

Mine is a 328i manual, 90k miles, completely de-railing the OPs thread sorry :D

 
That sounds awesome :p

Mine is a 328i manual, 90k miles, completely de-railing the OPs thread sorry :D

Thanks man, loved every one of the 5, going to get another BMW soon, possibly a 540i E39 and manual swap it as all the manual are rotten.

Nice is that Hell Rot?

It's ok OP loves it, he's an E36 guy.

Pic of the E30 M5 swap, can't find the ones of it finished, only speaker blowing ear piercingly loud revving videos haha!

It spins up 5th gear even with decent tyres in the dry :cry:
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Ive had a bunch of NUCs over the years. Some for media players, playing from NAS to TV, and some for "always on PC" that i remote into from work to setup downloads etc. Theyve been solid for me. Even 6th, 7th, 8th Gen intel NUC seems pretty snappy for simple desktop stuff. so maybe pickup a used one, and see how you get on.

I need to sort my desk out in the "study" (box room full of stuff) as i'm currently gaming on the dining room table, and have to frequently put it all away etc. I plan to get a 1440p monitor with the kvm built in. Use a later NUC with usbc/thunderbolt to the monitor and use this for office work, wife and kids can use it for office stuff/homework, then i'll keep my gaming PC for just gaming. My gaming pc is ITX anyway, but this gives me the option to move it downstairs easily for some OLED big TV gaming, and the NUC is still available for use.

So you could downsize to an ITX system, but less costs more in the PC space. ITX boards are quite expensive, SFX PSUs are pretty pricey too, as are the nicer ITX cases. I use the Meshlicious case which has a pretty small footprint for a case that can fit a pretty hefty GPU. A small MicroATX system is much more cost effective, and more than enough, slot wise for most people, i dont know why they dont get more love.

I liked the E36 but preferred the E46. I had a 2002 E46 330 coupe with some AC Schnitzer bits on. Loved that car, but the manual box was a bit rubbish.
 
I'm looking at a Ryzen 5800H, 32GB DDR4, 500gb nvme ssd spec. Watched loads of youtube videos on these and they seem incredible, they game reasonably well, can be mounted to the rear of most monitors and are almost silent. Have I missed anything?

Get one with an Oculink port so you can attach an eGPU. ETA Prime and ServeTheHome are the YouTube channels you should watch.

Here's an elegant one:


But you can also just build your own using a cable, an adapter, a PSU, and your 4090.
 
Ive had a bunch of NUCs over the years. Some for media players, playing from NAS to TV, and some for "always on PC" that i remote into from work to setup downloads etc. Theyve been solid for me. Even 6th, 7th, 8th Gen intel NUC seems pretty snappy for simple desktop stuff. so maybe pickup a used one, and see how you get on.

I need to sort my desk out in the "study" (box room full of stuff) as i'm currently gaming on the dining room table, and have to frequently put it all away etc. I plan to get a 1440p monitor with the kvm built in. Use a later NUC with usbc/thunderbolt to the monitor and use this for office work, wife and kids can use it for office stuff/homework, then i'll keep my gaming PC for just gaming. My gaming pc is ITX anyway, but this gives me the option to move it downstairs easily for some OLED big TV gaming, and the NUC is still available for use.

So you could downsize to an ITX system, but less costs more in the PC space. ITX boards are quite expensive, SFX PSUs are pretty pricey too, as are the nicer ITX cases. I use the Meshlicious case which has a pretty small footprint for a case that can fit a pretty hefty GPU. A small MicroATX system is much more cost effective, and more than enough, slot wise for most people, i dont know why they dont get more love.

I liked the E36 but preferred the E46. I had a 2002 E46 330 coupe with some AC Schnitzer bits on. Loved that car, but the manual box was a bit rubbish.
MITX FTW! Just means you can upgrade it as you please, OP should just do what I did and buy a faulty one secondhand and swap parts out and fix it, that's how I have the aforementioned system. Was only a knackered ****** Power Color GPU at fault which I threw in the bin.

Oi the 36 chassis is way better than the heavier E46 how dare you! Was your 2002 a 6 speed or a 5? If it was a 5 speed, it's the same box as a 328i/3L M3 E36... They're ZF boxes and take around 600+bhp before going bang when boosted, it's a very common thing to boost the 325i/3L M3 or supercharge a 328i (ally block over here RIP unlike america)

The only way your box would have felt rubbish was if you had the lean on the shifter and knackered linkage bushings/no short shift, this is easily fixed with 'detent pins' and makes it sit centralised again, and fitting new or aftermarket bushings and a short shifter fixes that, I've had an ACS shifter and a Z3 shifter in 2 of my 5 E36's, both like loading a rifle, it was glorious, the 318is-325i Getrag is a nice box too.

I drove a 6 speed E90 with the same box as the E46 facelift 330i/ci and it was fine but I personally prefer a 5 speed. Old skool I guess.
 
Get one with an Oculink port so you can attach an eGPU. ETA Prime and ServeTheHome are the YouTube channels you should watch.

Here's an elegant one:


But you can also just build your own using a cable, an adapter, a PSU, and your 4090.
ETA Prime does wicked content doesn't he, without being at all stuck up or biased. Just seems to say it how it is, and nicely edited/shot.
 
MITX FTW! Just means you can upgrade it as you please, OP should just do what I did and buy a faulty one secondhand and swap parts out and fix it, that's how I have the aforementioned system. Was only a knackered ****** Power Color GPU at fault which I threw in the bin.

Oi the 36 chassis is way better than the heavier E46 how dare you! Was your 2002 a 6 speed or a 5? If it was a 5 speed, it's the same box as a 328i/3L M3 E36... They're ZF boxes and take around 600+bhp before going bang when boosted, it's a very common thing to boost the 325i/3L M3 or supercharge a 328i (ally block over here RIP unlike america)

The only way your box would have felt rubbish was if you had the lean on the shifter and knackered linkage bushings/no short shift, this is easily fixed with 'detent pins' and makes it sit centralised again, and fitting new or aftermarket bushings and a short shifter fixes that, I've had an ACS shifter and a Z3 shifter in 2 of my 5 E36's, both like loading a rifle, it was glorious, the 318is-325i Getrag is a nice box too.

I drove a 6 speed E90 with the same box as the E46 facelift 330i/ci and it was fine but I personally prefer a 5 speed. Old skool I guess.

Yeah i heard good things about the E36s, just preferred the look of the E46. It was the 5 speed manual. It was ok, but fast shifting first to second was always problematic. The clutch delay valve did my head in too, should have had it removed really, but never got around to it. It had an issue, which is probably the bushes as you mentioned, where it wouldnt return to centre without a little tap. I got used to it in the end, but the cost to fix it was a lot of labour IIRC.

Overall though, i loved it... i dont miss the tramlining though.

I tried to post a photo, but imgur isnt allowed by the look of it... imgur is garbage though so im not surprised really.
 
Thanks man, loved every one of the 5, going to get another BMW soon, possibly a 540i E39 and manual swap it as all the manual are rotten.

Nice is that Hell Rot?

It's ok OP loves it, he's an E36 guy.

Pic of the E30 M5 swap, can't find the ones of it finished, only speaker blowing ear piercingly loud revving videos haha!

It spins up 5th gear even with decent tyres in the dry :cry:
e30m5.jpg
That looks like it'll go some!

Yeah it is Hellrot, not many about, or at least not many that aren't pink!

I've always wanted an e30 but as you say, they're ££££
 
Yeah i heard good things about the E36s, just preferred the look of the E46. It was the 5 speed manual. It was ok, but fast shifting first to second was always problematic. The clutch delay valve did my head in too, should have had it removed really, but never got around to it. It had an issue, which is probably the bushes as you mentioned, where it wouldnt return to centre without a little tap. I got used to it in the end, but the cost to fix it was a lot of labour IIRC.

Overall though, i loved it... i dont miss the tramlining though.

I tried to post a photo, but imgur isnt allowed by the look of it... imgur is garbage though so im not surprised really.

Strange, I've driven/owned many and never had aproblem flying through the gears be it with stock throw or with ashort shift, even with the 'lean' and worn linkage bushings you canstill bang gears no issue... Your gearbox would have been the same as a 36 328i/3L M3 then guts and I think casing wise IIRC.

Yeah you want to get rid of the CDV that was probably your issue and thus wrecking your clutch/box shifting fast, that or you just had a dog of a gearbox, very unheard of though, you can literally sit them on the limiter the whole day at a track with a raised rev limit drifting them even boosted and silly horsepower450-600bhp and they don't care.

Ah see I'm the other way round I prefer the boxy 80's/stocky look of a 36 coupe. A 46 is nice but it's a bit girlier/curvier looking, I can't stand E36 M3 mirrors though, in the bin they go, my mate with the E30 M5 engine swap above even took them off his E36 M3 hahaha!

Tramlining? Sounds like you had some dodgy bushes/alignment on that car too? Only 3 series that loves to tramline is an E21 and an E30 (E28 5 series like to try and kill you at the front end as well so don't drive one they're rubbish compared to an E34/39), both E21/30 love to follow the ruts in theroad and make you use 2 hands on the wheel at speed. E36 you can drive with 1 hand flat out, they're just so predictable, IIRC the E36 was first car to be designed in a wind tunnel and with computers too?

E46's are way less reliable and have crapper designed access when working on stuff, for example the E36 you justpop the bump strips off the front or rear bumper and 4 nuts hold thebumper on into a rail either side of the wing and you can get thefitment spot on everytime and adjust it. The 46 you have to use a ratchet vertically in the grille mouth and **** the grille/bumper asyou're undoing it.
Very silly, they also took away the awesome sill mounted jacking points which the OEM jack has legs that go into the E36 sill and let you jack up even the most slammed/lowered car,versus using a folded section on the sill or a plate, the E36 had a jacking point and pad underneath too, but the sill access option was the one!

I hate the pathetic coolant system flaw on the E46/E39 where everything just explodes like the reservoir tank, and the fact they use stupid plastic proprietory end pieces on the hoseswith stupid vag like clips, vs being able to fit nice silicone hosesthat'll outlive the car with a simple hose clamp, ala the E36, and no one makes a aftermarket ally thermostat housing (which solves the cracking/leaking issues of the OEM E36 one), The E36 is so simple in that respect, just buy a £45 random ebay rad with a built in reservoir, any hoses, a £12 thermostat, £15-25 metal stat housing,a decent metal impeller water pump, and you're away.

The other thing that scares me with the M54 engines is the chain whip and oil pump nut issue, at 5.5K and above especially under sustained load like drifting/going fast, you get chain whip where they didn't bother to use a tensioner despite BMW leaving the dowel for it on the block :mad: what then happens over time is you get chain whip thus damaging the chain and then the worst thing your single bolt on your oil pump's chain sprocket shakes itself loose and the nut comes off, you loose oil pressure and BOOM! Done! Or you can snap the sprockets spline off, either or WILL happen, to fix it you need to spend £550 on an aftermarket kit from Parkin Racing Developments which comes with a 4 bolt new sprocket design/spline and a hench tensioner, the housing is also made all out of sexy billet :D

You see these idiots that simply weld tacks onto the oil pump sprocket which then imbalances it and makes it snap offversus undoing the nut, or you see real ****** use lockwire thinking it'll work, and then the spline still snaps the sprocket.
Chavs and idiots on YT for you though I guess!

But yeah if you replace with all OEM expansion tank reservoir/hoses and go for a billet aftermarket Mishimoto radand slim fan, and do the oil pump fix along with the usual BMW leakygaskets/power steering pump/lines, you end up with a decent car.

I do like a 330ci facelift coupe. M3 is nice, but they're a flawed design big time with the rear floor and strut areas which need plates reinforcing them and loads of areas where water ingresses and stays and rots stuff out, along with the fact you'll wanna redo your bottom end bearings every 5-10k if you drive an M3 how it's meant to, or you'll end up with a lovely scored crank which costs thousands to replace!

I have seen countless ones torn down and it's hilariously bad how they murder the crank, as with the E9X M3 V8's and the E60 M5 V10...

My mate had to buy 3 engines just to get 1 ok'ish crank, and he changed the bearings to ARP and does them every 5-10k, the S54B32 also sounds awful exhaust wise compared to a S50B30. Just a tinny raspy mess.

Love how the E46 M3 handles though for such a boaty heavy car, some car be up to 1650kg or 1695kg depending on spec which is absolutely ridiculous for a late 90's 3series!
The power delivery isn't that great either and it's mostly mid-top end, so a bit of a let down, I'd much rather an E39 M5, if you drag race both they're neck and neck the whole way despite theE39 being a heavy old girl.
The S62B50 just has instant torque everywhere!
 
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That looks like it'll go some!

Yeah it is Hellrot, not many about, or at least not many that aren't pink!

I've always wanted an e30 but as you say, they're ££££
Yeah I mean it's literally 400bhp per tonne and revs to what 8.2k rpm or 8.5k I forget now as it's also been mapped, and with what's been done to it weight wise lol it's an animal! Add a very bitey M5 LSD (the rear end was custom made to allow this) and everything polybushed/uprated, M5 gearbox too, it's the dream E30.

I have some hilarious videos of him driving it in the drive just wheel spinning through 5 gears all the way through the rev range at half throttle, when he runs semi slicks it will destroy anything power to weight wise.
He also has IIRC 1 of 9 manual V12 850CS on the road too, driven that, what a beast.

Last time he was up to 47 cars but it's gone up and down since then as we break them for parts/build them etc etc, some are kept/restored/sold, depends on what the market is at the time.

The 4.4 540i swapped V8 E36 is awesome too. But that's 'just' his driftcar at a local track we goto.
 
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