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[john_smith]

I think I have the space for speakers in the room. In the wall isn't essential or a requirement.

I'm assuming L&R are floor mounted with the other 7 (if I got for 9) on wall brackets. Then 4 ceiling with 2 subs (front and back?) both on the floor.

 

[john_smith]

I don't want all of the surround speakers on stands around my seating position. Whilst that might be what's needed for perfect. I think that would compramise the room and lead to them getting knocked over.

 

[hornetstinger]

I think I have the space for speakers in the room. In the wall isn't essential or a requirement.

I'm assuming L&R are floor mounted with the other 7 (if I got for 9) on wall brackets. Then 4 ceiling with 2 subs (front and back?) both on the floor.

Or could for dedicated center

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OR get another monitor and have it vertically.

I don't want all of the surround speakers on stands around my seating position. Whilst that might be what's needed for perfect. I think that would compramise the room and lead to them getting knocked over.

Then you could go for on wall speakers.

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It's all your choice

 

[john_smith]

Those speakers look north of the acceptable (sensible?) budget for me

 

[hornetstinger]

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What about those?

 

[sk3lph]

Here is my setup, I did a build thread too which may be useful for inspiration - sk3lph home cinema build.

 

[john_smith]

Probably still slightly above my threshold. Based on my mate spending £12k all in for kit.

 

[hornetstinger]

Check which ones are single and pair. Think you've placed too many into basket.

Another brand

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Some subs

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[john_smith]

Check which ones are single and pair. Think you've placed too many into basket.

You're right. Down to "only" £13.6k now for for 9.2.4

 

[hornetstinger]

You're right. Down to "only" £13.6k now for for 9.2.4

Not sure if that Denon 6700 supports front wide from amp, do you need to go upto Denon 8500?

 

[john_smith]

Sorry. What does front wide mean?

Amp I’m currently looking at the 6800

 

[Simmz]

Where you need to go demo stuff. A better quality 7.2.4 system will still out perform a cheaper 9.2.4 system and certain brands can be a lot harsher than others which depending on how sensitive your ears are can change the way things sound.

 

[hornetstinger]

Front wides is going from 7 to 9 floor speakers. They go between the fronts, and sides.

9.2.4 is a lot of speakers, you're going from nothing to pretty much speakers what I have in one go.

Either increase your budget, get cheaper speakers, or get fewer channels. There's second hand but unlikely you'll find 9.0.4 system going, typically stereo speakers will be easy to buy second hand.

You have to decide do you want lots of speakers, but lower quality, or fewer speakers but higher quality.

Richer Sounds had some Fyne speakers for a good price, £200 for the 501 C, and £800 for the mains.

You'll find "hifi" companies lack "AV" speakers.

 

[john_smith]

Understood. Maybe we go for 7 main speakers. I started with 9 because more is better, right.

Maybe 9 is overkill for my room size and 7 will be plenty.

Cheers.

 

[Simmz]

This is a system that can be demo'd. Personally was absolutely amazing and I spent a good while with it. Just giving you an example on prices based when I asked for scope as M&K you can't just buy online has to be through an authorised dealer and usually much better quality than some of the stuff you get in the generic shops.

M&K 7.2.4 Media room cinema system

3 x MK IW950 LCR in wall speakers £3,124.00

2 x Pair MK M40T tripole surround speakers available in satin black or white finish £1842.00

2 x Pair MK IC95 in ceiling speakers £1340.00

2 x MK X12 Subwoofers £4000

1 x Integra DRX 5.4 8K 7.2.4 including DIRAC Live room correction licence £2,055.00

4 x Hoody Acoustic fire hoods for in ceiling speakers £240.00

1 x Cable infrastructure £400.00

Total: £13,001.00 inc VAT

 

[jaybee]

I enjoy threads like these. Please keep us updated with all the building work.
I am jealous of your space and budget to allow such a room! It's kind of refreshing to see that it can still be doable/nice in even a smaller dedicated room. I always think of having to have a massive house for this kind of thing to work. I guess you'd want a detached house though ideally, or a detached room to minimize noise problems with the subs for neighbours. What sound proofing methods are you using?
I have a very tame AV setup in my lounge in comparison. I can't roll with these Lambo driving, dedicated AV room OCUK forum goers.

Something I have to wonder... why 2 subwoofers over a single?

 

[hornetstinger]

I enjoy threads like these. Please keep us updated with all the building work.
I am jealous of your space and budget to allow such a room! It's kind of refreshing to see that it can still be doable/nice in even a smaller dedicated room. I always think of having to have a massive house for this kind of thing to work. I guess you'd want a detached house though ideally, or a detached room to minimize noise problems with the subs for neighbours. What sound proofing methods are you using?
I have a very tame AV setup in my lounge in comparison. I can't roll with these Lambo driving, dedicated AV room OCUK forum goers.

Something I have to wonder... why 2 subwoofers over a single?

Flatten response, increases output, lowers distortion, more even spread of sound over multiple seats. Having two 15" THX Ultra subs is freaking scary when cranked up. I reckon I've probably got 18db ish of subwoofer headroom.

Going to three subs was nuts.

 

[jaybee]

Flatten response, increases output, lowers distortion, more even spread of sound over multiple seats. Having two 15" THX Ultra subs is freaking scary when cranked up. I reckon I've probably got 18db ish of subwoofer headroom.

Going to three subs was nuts.

Let me change the question sorry. Would you still pick two subwoofers over one if they were identical subs, in identical boxes, with identical TOTAL output power and money was no object?

i.e.

Setup 1
1 x 12 inch sub driven at 500watts

Setup 2
2 x 12 inch subs driven at 250watts each

(identical subs in identical individual enclosures throughout)

 

[hornetstinger]

You can't use power as a that sort of choice for a decision. Doesn't work that way, plus the whole thing with SB and PB, ie PB 250W gives you several dB advantage.

I'd try and get the best single sub as you can now (without overspending insane amount, so a second is still acceptable to buy) then get another one later - but I wouldn't leave it too long if they discontinue that model.

OP needs to go listen to few brands, choice of brands is overwhealming I could name 20+ off the top of my head. For Hifi it's even more, go to Hifi /AV show and most of them never even heard of. Then for subs, you might find specialist sub makers better rather than the same brand as the speaker. ie Q Acoustics subs, pretty bad.

Also for the OP he should decide if wants to be a hobby, ie starting off with a cheaper system, enjoying it, upgrading L/R, replacing other bits, buying movies, upgrade sub, remote control etc. That's part of the hobby.

Ie you could start off with this, and a cheaper AVR, everything there for about £1000

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Keep it for a year or two, enjoy it, go and learn more about this, go to Hifi/AV stores, shows etc, when or if you decide to upgrade move the speakers to a bedroom, workshop, PC system, kids room etc. Probably safer that way, imagine you spend £10000 on a Klispch speaker system and wondering why your ears are bleeding after a movie....and then find out the Klipsch sound signature. Also learn how to connect, setup and wire up yourself.

 

[jaybee]

Flatten response, increases output, lowers distortion, more even spread of sound over multiple seats. Having two 15" THX Ultra subs is freaking scary when cranked up. I reckon I've probably got 18db ish of subwoofer headroom.

Going to three subs was nuts.

Ok.

You can't use power as a that sort of choice for a decision.

Right.

...plus the whole thing with SB and PB, ie PB 250W gives you several dB advantage.

The question I asked was if using IDENTICAL enclosures, then you talk about the differences between sealed and ported.


Technically what is the benefit of running 2 subs over 1 was the question really. I gather from a quick google that it is to do with getting a more even sound due to room acoustics and interaction with said room. But in a perfectly square/rectangular room, I can't see it having that big of a difference. If output is lacking, surely you can buy a single sub with more output.