Germany - Knifeman attacks speaker and others at "Anti-Islam" rally before being shot.

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***Breaking News within the last 1hr30 of OP so this may change***

A knifeman has stabbed several bystanders and a police officer with a military style combat knife/(KBAR look-a-like) at a political rally in Germany in a frenzied attack that was livestreamed on YouTube this morning. It looks like the attacker stabbed the main speaker Michael Stuerzenberger multiple times first then several other people who tried to drag him away from the first victim, before the attacker broke free, attacked a policeman who was helping apply first aid to Stuerzenberger by stabbing him the neck, before the attacker was finally shot by another Officer.

The speaker was earlier saying how violence isn't the way and that he wants to de-escalate things when they get heated -

Speaking at the rally on livestream before he was set upon by his attacker, the activist was heard explaining how the event would 'de-escalate' if there was a prospect things could turn violent. 'We want to first see if we can manage a sensible discussion as always, of course we will de-escalate if it gets heated. 'There was a staunch Muslim there earlier who was pretty agitated and he shouted, ''you don't belong here you are worse than the AfD''
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This is still breaking so only a few news outlets are reporting it so far. I'm sure the BBC, Guardian etc will all be reporting on it at some point too (some folks don't like the "right wing media" links I know) -

www.dailymail.co.uk

Knifeman stabs multiple people during YouTube livestream in Germany

Chaos broke out at the event when a man dressed in a dark hooded jacket and tracksuit tackled a victim to the ground and began violently swinging a large blade at him
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

www.thesun.co.uk

Knifeman launches frenzied attack on anti-Islam rally in Germany on livestream

A KNIFEMAN has been gunned down by cops after stabbing at least three people at an anti-Islam rally in southwest Germany. The horror ordeal at Mannheim was live-streamed to thousands on YouTube on …
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

www.mirror.co.uk

Knifeman stabs at least 2 including police officer in YouTube livestream

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES: Multiple people - reportedly including far-right anti-Islam activist Michael Stürzenberger - have been stabbed at a rally in Mannheim, Germany, with the attack being live streamed on YouTube
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/31/germany-stabbing-knifeman-stabs-people/

I know it's such a limited request but any chance that we can remain civil, despite the topic, would be appreciated. We don't need yet another locked topic on things like this!
 
Demon said:
I think the rally just (alledgedly) debunked Islamophobia.
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Cheers... It wasn't really clear in the media reports linked in the OP. Then again, are we surprised given the media outlets involved... I'll await sources with a little more depth in their reporting for info.
 
ianh said:
I know it's such a limited request but any chance that we can remain civil, despite the topic, would be appreciated. We don't need yet another locked topic on things like this!
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And yet people apparently can't help themselves - 2nd, 3rd, and 4th posts deleted, and one ban issued

If you can't help yourself and think you might say something inappropriate, drop me a PM and I can thread ban you now, to save you from further embarrassment
 
ianh said:
I know it's such a limited request but any chance that we can remain civil, despite the topic, would be appreciated. We don't need yet another locked topic on things like this!
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Or we just not bother posting these thinking its going be different because it never is.

Then everyone will be happy :)
 
I just can’t figure out why the policeman (unless he was confused) jumped on the first victim of the knife man before he himself got stabbed in the neck.
 
Islam perhaps does need to undergo a reformation period, especially as many liberal democracies in the West are seeing an increase in Muslims. There is a fundamental incompatibility between modern society and this religion as it's often practiced today.

It's not just those who are going so far as to engage in knife attacks - there are incidents like the School teacher in Yorkshire who showed an image of the prophet and the kid who was alleged to have damaged a Quran. There will be many more problems in future if we don't get a grip of this problem and carry on pandering to it.
 
Multiculturalism only works when the cultures involved aren't completely opposed. Islam has never seen reform in the way certain other religions have, I'm not sure it even can given its core concepts essentially claim it's perfect.

A lot of its believers are what I think the average westerner from a predominantly Christian background would consider extreme if they spent enough time listening to and being around the teachings and how literally they're taken.

This sort of thing isn't going away, it'll keep happening and clashing against anyone with vocal enough opinions, whether the people holding them are violent or not.
 
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One officer then waded in and jumped on one of the victims. It is unclear whether he was trying to stem the flow of blood, or had misread the situation and mistakenly believed he was tackling the would-be killer.

But this gave the aggressor a chance to circle behind and ram his blade into the policeman's neck.

jesus what is going on in the world.
 
Gray2233 said:
Multiculturalism only works when the cultures involved aren't completely opposed. Islam has never seen reform in the way certain other religions have, I'm not sure it even can given its core concepts essentially claim it's perfect.

A lot of its believers are what I think the average westerner from a predominantly Christian background would consider extreme if they spent enough time listening to and being around the teachings and how literally they're taken.

This sort of thing isn't going away, it'll keep happening and clashing against anyone with vocal enough opinions, whether the people holding them are violent or not.
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It's a shame, because it doesn't seem to be all cultures, some are mixing really well, and I think our society is improved overall, yes, there are issues, but I think in general we are better off.

British Indian curry for example, what an amazing thing, apparently it was invented in England, by an Indian. From what I gather, speaking to a good freind of mine regularly, who is Indian and lives in India, he fully admits their food over there is basically now British style. Funny thing is they even speak English at home. We are so much closer to India or visa versa than you might think. I guess there is probably many cultures where this is the case.

And if you think of all the cultures that came in with the "Windrush" to Britain following the second world war and on, im my opinion basically everyone from those culters and well and truely integrated, yes they have and keep some of their own traditions, and so they should, but I think have very much adopted the traditional British way of life bringing their own take on it as well.

And as for Muslim people in general, 99.9% of them are nice people, particularly on in individual level.

But there is a saying, a person is smart, but people are stupid.

Maybe we need to give it another generation or so.
 
Don't have a great view from the video but think it looks like the policeman actually pushed the people restraining the knifeman away before trying to arrest one of the guys in a blue jacket. This allowed the knifeman to get up, slash at another guy and stab the policeman who had rescued him in the back / neck.

Then afterwards you can see the blue jacket guy that the policeman attacked being restrained on the floor by a policewoman.

I'm assuming just a result of confusion / poor communication in the moment, but still appears to be a pretty shocking example of bad policing.

Whatever else happens as a result of this I'm guessing it will give Michael Stuerzenberger some very useful talking points, which I guess is good or bad depending of your viewpoint....

Can all be thankful that no one died as a result of this though, could have been a lot worse.
 
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GreatAuk said:
Don't have a great view from the video but think it looks like the policeman actually pushed the people restraining the knifeman away before trying to arrest one of the guys in a blue jacket. This allowed the knifeman to get up, slash at another guy and stab the policeman who had rescued him in the back / neck.

Then afterwards you can see the blue jacket guy that the policeman attacked being restrained on the floor by a policewoman.

I'm assuming just a result of confusion / poor communication in the moment, but still appears to be a pretty shocking example of bad policing.

Whatever else happens as a result of this I'm guessing it will give Michael Stuerzenberger some very useful talking points, which I guess is good or bad depending of your viewpoint....

Can all be thankful that no one died as a result of this though, could have been a lot worse.
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~Yeah it looks like a severe case of "wrong man mate..." then he gets stabbed in the back, hope he learned something.
 
Richie said:
So was it a rally promoting Islamophobia?
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or was it a protest wanting to maintain the German culture branded islamaphobia by lefties?

anyway knifeman just proves too many nutters have been allowed into Europe, thanks merkel or whatever here name was


Integration is a lie, those communities don't want to do that, they don't want your customs, culture, values , religion or anything else.

They want to bring their problems into your country, and then make your country into the one they "escaped from" all the time whilst protesting about stuff happening in their parts of the world, like it's our governments fault....
 
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BUDFORCE said:
It's a shame, because it doesn't seem to be all cultures, some are mixing really well, and I think our society is improved overall, yes, there are issues, but I think in general we are better off.

British Indian curry for example, what an amazing thing, apparently it was invented in England, by an Indian. From what I gather, speaking to a good freind of mine regularly, who is Indian and lives in India, he fully admits their food over there is basically now British style. Funny thing is they even speak English at home. We are so much closer to India or visa versa than you might think. I guess there is probably many cultures where this is the case.

And if you think of all the cultures that came in with the "Windrush" to Britain following the second world war and on, im my opinion basically everyone from those culters and well and truely integrated, yes they have and keep some of their own traditions, and so they should, but I think have very much adopted the traditional British way of life bringing their own take on it as well.

And as for Muslim people in general, 99.9% of them are nice people, particularly on in individual level.

But there is a saying, a person is smart, but people are stupid.

Maybe we need to give it another generation or so.
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Statistics disagree with your 99.9% figure where huge percentages have regularly been shown to be at odds with the rest of society. Half, for example, thinking homsexuals should be imprisoned.
 
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