If its similar to the tesla heat pump then it will heat the car quicker than the non heat pump version.
Out of spec reviews did a test in about-28c.
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Indeed nothing stopping it running both systems.
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Had my first experience of electric car ownership as I travelling to and rom Heathrow with my colleague who has an i4.
Firstly, my god they are quick! (In a straight line). But they have no ‘soul’ or personality. It is just a quick washing machine.
This also affirmed why I wont be diving into the EV market anytime soon (partly because I am not convinced EVs are the future).
First charge stop on the way down…….his BMW pay card thing (which was supposed to work on the charger) didnt work. So had to resort to getting another app, and paying via that. Took several minutes to sort out, before we even started charging.
On the way back, we had a much more successful stop. Payment accepted first time, and charged at about 130kw or so. But at 80p or so per kw (or whatever the unit is), it wasn’t cheap! I really only see EVs working if you charge at home, otherwise you may as well have an ICE car.
Also, at about 10% left (before we stopped at the aforementioned charge stop), we really were at the mercy of what charge points were on the way back, and were available. Luckily, the BMW charge map did seem up to date, as we tried a stop near a BMW dealership that said 2 of its 2 spots were taken. Alas they were.
Firstly, my god they are quick! (In a straight line). But they have no ‘soul’ or personality. It is just a quick washing machine.
This also affirmed why I wont be diving into the EV market anytime soon (partly because I am not convinced EVs are the future).
First charge stop on the way down…….his BMW pay card thing (which was supposed to work on the charger) didnt work. So had to resort to getting another app, and paying via that. Took several minutes to sort out, before we even started charging.
On the way back, we had a much more successful stop. Payment accepted first time, and charged at about 130kw or so. But at 80p or so per kw (or whatever the unit is), it wasn’t cheap! I really only see EVs working if you charge at home, otherwise you may as well have an ICE car.
Also, at about 10% left (before we stopped at the aforementioned charge stop), we really were at the mercy of what charge points were on the way back, and were available. Luckily, the BMW charge map did seem up to date, as we tried a stop near a BMW dealership that said 2 of its 2 spots were taken. Alas they were.
If you swap out the word only for mostly then I think that is the general consensus of most at the moment. Home (or workplace if available) charging needs to cover the majority of your charging needs for the financials to stack up.
I totally agree that an engine adds an element of theatre, engagement, enjoyment in some cases but in most cases they are just a means to make the wheels go round. Even in enthusiast biased cars that element has been watered down to synthesised sounds fed in through the cars speakers and curated fart sounds from the exhaust on every gear shift. Those things I can absolutely live without and even if that does take your fancy you are then in that murky area of - is it really that different for an EV to simulate that noise than an ICE powered one? Ioniq 5N is another example with simulated gear shifts if you really don't want the feeling of a flat torque curve as you accelerate.
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I charge to 100% if doing a long trip and want to minimise public charging, so maybe 10-15 times a year.. this used to be more but the `model Y LR can easily do London and back on 80% for me, so don’t bother now unless doing more than 150 miles each way
Most EVs recommend staying between 20 and 80% for normal use to minimise stress on the battery, except the Tesla standard range LFP batteries, they are 100% charge rated all the time..
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Whenever I need it. 3 times in the last week but that’s unusual, once or twice a month is more typical.
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The equivalent 4 series (non-m) is also a soulless vacuum cleaner..
I prefer my Mustang for fun and that all round audible and visceral ‘fun’, so when I jump in a 420i or something, it feels numbingly boring in which case I prefer driving an EV by far, but part of the EV experience is the much easier drive and comfort you get..
At the moment, EVs still have low BIK and available on Salary Sacrifice, coupled with insanely cheaper running costs if charging mainly at home, and on top of that they are more relaxed to drive yet have that instant pep to get yourself in or out of trouble.. If I'm doing a long motorway journey with the family, the Tesla is by far the most relaxing way I have of doing that, with Autopilot on, I can chill and de-stress even if the traffic is heavy, the audio is fairly premium and its a nice place to be.. and that's just fairly typical... I can't think what ICE car would get close to doing that as well other than a rangie..
That’s completely wrong. Heat pump in MEB heat’s cabin much much faster than any heating element can do. Getting rid of foggy windshield takes about 30s as opposed to minutes. With a heated wind screen those icey wind shield is no issue. You can’t achieve the same results with just heating elements.
Heat pumps can chuck out great deal more heat than heating elements given the same electrical energy input use much less energy to produce the same amount of heat output.
In my Enyaq the heat pump generally use about 800-1000w of energy which probably does a job of a 2kw heater.
The soul of a pile of metal is surely the carbon life form that sits in it…
all it matters if you enjoy driving it. It doesn’t have to donate to Salvation Army while parked outside your house
If those rapid accelerations and ability to accelerate out of a corner like a skunk on heat (not sure if that is a thing) then maybe nothing will get you smiling…
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The only reference I made to a MEB car was the price.
They simply can’t have the same output if that is the case. If a resistive heater has the same output as a heat pump, it will heat what ever it’s heating at the same rate plus it’s start up time. A heat pump doesn’t defy the laws of physics.
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Me and the wife have had cars since 1975 and we both agree the MG4 is the best car we have ever drove so it's horses for courses.
I do compare it to a fast bumper car though
I agree with this, me and the wife granny drive and hopefully anywhere we are able to go will not need a stop off to charge.
A mate has just bought an MP4 Extended Range because he has a 200 mile round commute 5 days a week, I think I would have stayed with ICE.
He needs to charge around 7 hours a day to put the mileage back which is obviously do-able with 6 of those hours on Octopus iGo.
Heat pump CoP is 200-300%. Some large scale commercial units can go up to 400%. That means they generate 2-3x more heat out than the energy put in. Where a heater at the most can only do 100%.Ie turns 100% of electrical energy input into heat output.
If you don’t believe me - go back to your GCSE physics or just google heat pump CoP.
This is not magic or supernatural - just simple exploitation of phase change of a fluid.
Similar exploitation of small energy input resulting larger outputs are everywhere such as combustion, chemical reaction, nuclear reaction etc etc.
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Touch a nerve? I’m well aware on how heat pumps work.
Rather than me revisiting my GCSE physics, I’d suggest you revisit what the post said rather than responding to something you thought it said.
I specifically said the same output, you have referred to inputs. A 4kw resistive heater and a 4kw heat pump have the exact same heat output. To reiterate, for a heat pump to heat something quicker than than a resistive heater, it must have a larger output.
The benefit to a heat pump as you say is the heat pump needs less energy input to achieve the same output.
As I said originally, the selling point of a heat pump is energy efficiency.
We have an MG4 as a pool car at work and I've got to admit it is really nice to drive.Me and the wife have had cars since 1975 and we both agree the MG4 is the best car we have ever drove so it's horses for courses.
I do compare it to a fast bumper car though
the indicator clicking sounds a bit cheap and it's cloth seats but the actual driving is nice and smooth and really rapid!Definitely a fast bumper car like you say!