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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

VincentHanna said:
Exactly why I was looking in to getting a new riser cable now :)
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The issue is there aren't really any consumer grade devices on Gen5 yet, so hard to validate whether the cables are decent.....

Unless someone wants to buy one of these and 4x Gen5 drives:

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Then thrash them in to the grave to test it :cry:
 
brostradamus said:
damn i am losing the hype.. hoping for some big leaks
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Rogueywon said:
Ah, the 970... one of those cards that saw Nvidia spend years competing against its own older product. I enjoy the thought that some of them are still in use.
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Back in the era GPUs seemed much more value for money. My laptop still has a 1060 in use - rarely used it as a gaming laptop (7800XT in my main PC), but when I was buying it I decided to get one with a 1050Ti so it could do light gaming, and there was barely any increase to a 1060 so thats what I got. 90% of its use now is to watch TV in the bath on it.
 
Man-In-A-Teapot said:
Back in the era GPUs seemed much more value for money. My laptop still has a 1060 in use - rarely used it as a gaming laptop (7800XT in my main PC), but when I was buying it I decided to get one with a 1050Ti so it could do light gaming, and there was barely any increase to a 1060 so thats what I got. 90% of its use now is to watch TV in the bath on it.
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I've seen recently few videos how actually chips are being produced, step by step (sans all the secret details) and learned it takes 3 months for one GPU or CPU chip to be actually "printed" from clean silicone wafer to finished core. And then all the "stencils" (UV masks) cost $300k+ each and there's one needed for each layer inside the chip, so 18+ per chip usually needed. Then each separate error caught (like with Blackwell) requires new masks and restarting production - which is another 4+ months easily of delay. All that cost a huge amount of money, then there's whole r&d too, much more expensive on much more complex chips. These things can't be cheap anymore, everything around them is hugely expensive and any error done by the vendor cost them many millions in losses that they will add to the final price most likely.
 
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Tinek said:
I've seen recently few videos how actually chips are being produced, step by step (sans all the secret details) and learned it takes 3 months for one GPU or CPU chip to be actually "printed" from clean silicone wafer to finished core. And then all the "stencils" (UV masks) cost $300k+ each and there's one needed for each layer inside the chip, so 18+ per chip usually needed. Then each separate error caught (like with Blackwell) requires new masks and restarting production - which is another 4+ months easily of delay. All that cost a huge amount of money, then there's whole r&d too, much more expensive on much more complex chips. These things can't be cheap anymore, everything around them is hugely expensive and any error done by the vendor cost them many millions in losses that they will add to the final price most likely.
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Yeah, even looking at 970 compared to a 4080 (as people say it's the true x70 of the series), and there's a huge difference in built quality and such.

I guess one way to make them cheaper would be to have a lower margin, but sell for longer, like 4-5 years / gen. Alas, it will too much for an impatient gamer :))
 
Man-In-A-Teapot said:
Back in the era GPUs seemed much more value for money.
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Well yeah... obviously? Prices at the high end were lower 10-15 years ago and now they have risen in line with inflation, increasing engineering complexity, production costs and of course profit. The market now is completely different to what it used to be and so are Nvidia and AMD.
 
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Man-In-A-Teapot said:
Back in the era GPUs seemed much more value for money.
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I say the high prices is also a lot to do with what gamers expect these days out of a GPU is to blame

Look when we got are proper first 3D card like the Voodoo 1 we played at 640/480 16bit at very low FPS with no fancy lighting/shadows /VVR and missing tons of other extras
 
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prices in isolation dont matter, you have to compare it to other options available in the market..and the fact that pc gaming is becoming more popular
case in point: x670 motherboard launch prices were 5x that of x370 motherboards.. should have been a much bigger pr disaster than the 4080, but somehow it wasnt
 
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