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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

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I'm curious how this runs on older games, specifically Supreme Commander Forged Alliance Forever - it's a tough one to call really, because it really likes fast single to 4 core performance, but mainly extremely fast 'single cores' (although the game is multithreaded it benefits most from high IPC) - if anyone could test the cpu score in this game when someone gets a 9800X3D ? - I'd be curious to see how it does vs arrow lake. Arrow lake obviously sucks for modern gaming but its strong single core cpu bench scores makes me curious how well it would run SupCom.
 
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Joxeon said:
I think people were just fed up with all the underwhelming PC hardware launches lately so when finally a decent product shows up everyone wants a piece of it.

I must admit I didn’t think it would be this popular and I wonder how it would have gone had 7800X3D had stayed around £300 instead of being jacked back up to launch prices over the past couple of months.
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I'm surprised how popular the 7800X3D and 9800X3D are - but maybe I overestimate how many people do any real productivity stuff on their PCs these days and/or use their phones for a lot of stuff, etc. and the PC is largely for gaming or light weight stuff. Back in the sort of 2000-2010 period a CPU with this kind of performance profile and being so gaming focussed would have been largely shunned, even to a degree amongst those who were hardcore competitive gamers.
 
Combat squirrel said:
I'm curious how this runs on older games, specifically Supreme Commander Forged Alliance Forever - it's a tough one to call really, because it really likes fast single to 4 core performance, but mainly extremely fast 'single cores' (although the game is multithreaded it benefits most from high IPC) - if anyone could test the cpu score in this game when someone gets a 9800X3D ? - I'd be curious to see how it does vs arrow lake. Arrow lake obviously sucks for modern gaming but its strong single core cpu bench scores makes me curious how well it would run SupCom.
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I don't have the game but the 3D V cache CPUs tend to do well in stuff which is traditionally single thread heavy - there are some exceptions though where the 14900 is king in some older single thread heavy games. (Depends if the main game thread is repeatedly accessing the same information which can be cached the 3D cache CPUs do well, otherwise MHz is key).
 
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Rroff said:
I'm surprised how popular the 7800X3D and 9800X3D are - but maybe I overestimate how many people do any real productivity stuff on their PCs these days and/or use their phones for a lot of stuff, etc. and the PC is largely for gaming or light weight stuff. Back in the sort of 2000-2010 period a CPU with this kind of performance profile and being so gaming focussed would have been largely shunned, even to a degree amongst those who were hardcore competitive gamers.
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I simply don't use my PC for work now, it comparatively sucks - Mac is the way to go for work - from raw power to software, the whole experience is just light years ahead of the disgusting Windows OS system (especially the steaming pile that is Win 11 which I refuse to go to on my gaming PC). I can't imagine using windows for serious work now, its just awful, looks like a kids OS, endless adverts and interruptions, messy, unstable, unstructured, no thanks, I got work to do.

As an image/media professional Apples CPU's clobber windoze stuff in snappiness, reliability, silence, it really does just work - and Mac OS is for me, a grown ups OS - stable and doesn't want to infuriate you.

I'm still using an M1 Max for my day to day and it just ruins what was at the time I got it (5600x) the same age as my M1 Max - M4 Max now is benching way higher than PC processors.

Sure you could get a modern 'monster' PC now and spec it up - but even if it was theoretically faster, just feels snappier on Mac.

Even then if I was given a pc from 10 years in the future, if it was running windoze for work, I just couldnt bring myself to use it, the OS just lets it down - I only use windows 10 on my gaming pc as its the least annoying to get me from booting to running the game.
 
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Combat squirrel said:
I simply don't use my PC for work now, it comparatively sucks - Mac is the way to go for work - from raw power to software, the whole experience is just light years ahead of the disgusting Windows OS system (especially the steaming pile that is Win 11 which I refuse to go to on my gaming PC). I can't imagine using windows for serious work now, its just awful, looks like a kids OS, endless adverts and interruptions, messy, unstable, unstructured, no thanks, I got work to do.

As an image/media professional Apples CPU's clobber windoze stuff in snappiness, reliability, silence, it really does just work - and Mac OS is for me, a grown ups OS - stable and doesn't want to infuriate you.

I'm still using an M1 Max for my day to day and it just ruins what was at the time I got it (5600x) the same age as my M1 Max - M4 Max now is benching way higher than PC processors.
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Yeah - I still have an older Xeon setup running Windows 7 that I use for serious productivity where I can - Windows 11 is just very meh for that kind of use at best, disruptive at worst. Not interested in the Mac/Apple ecosystem myself and most of my tool chain is Windows only or Mac/iOS is secondary and often a few versions behind or missing features, etc.

A lot of my day job work stuff to be fair has moved to where I'm accessing the frontend via app/web browser and the heavy weight processing is done on a remote server back end.
 
Monkeyboysteve said:
Some games are just cpu heavy regardless and will take great advantage of this. 4x games for example.
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I'm into emulation as well and stuck on 5800 non x3d

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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D establishes AMD as the leader in gaming performance. This Zen 5-based X3D chip is not only fast, it also comes with full support for overclocking. Besides gaming, application performance is considerably improved over the 7800X3D, but that comes at a price.
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Should get a substantial boost there.
 
Kinda hard to recommend any CPUs for serious gaming, other than the 7800X3D or 9800X3D, based on these results:

Only these 2 CPUs managed a 1% low of over 60FPS in Starfield, apart from the problematic Core 9 285K. The 9800X3D was the only CPU that could handle 1% lows above 60 in Homeworld 3 (Techspot review).

Shame that the prices on the 7800X3D still suck.

Overall, the Ryzen 7700X is holding up well enough :)
 
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Hostile_18 said:
I know I should never pay this much for a motherboard... but I really want the x870 MSI Godlike. 7 nvme slots, screen on board, fan/argb connectors on the back. It just looks so sexy as well. Someone tell me to stand down lol.
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Its al down to if you are going to use all the features.

Do you "need" 7 NVME slots?

Do yourself and your wallet a favour and by the best board for your needs, stick it in your case and forget about it lol
 
g67575 said:
Kinda hard to recommend any CPUs for serious gaming, other than the 7800X3D or 9800X3D, based on these results:

Only these 2 CPUs managed a 1% low of over 60FPS in Starfield, apart from the problematic Core 9 285K. The 9800X3D was the only CPU that could handle 1% lows above 60 in Homeworld 3 (Techspot review).

Shame that the prices on the 7800X3D still suck.

Overall, the Ryzen 7700X is holding up well enough :)
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I was going to prod you for directly quoting 1080p low performance as a reason to buy. But I saw something much more funny.

Techspot and Toms didn't do 1080p low, they did 1080p Ultra, a graphics setting people would upscale from.

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Your 7700X can already do well over 60fps in 1% lows if you play Starfield in Ultra instead of Low :p

So can everything else that's decent but still, important details are hidden when you test at settings that are unrealistic.
 
Combat squirrel said:
I simply don't use my PC for work now, it comparatively sucks - Mac is the way to go for work - from raw power to software, the whole experience is just light years ahead of the disgusting Windows OS system (especially the steaming pile that is Win 11 which I refuse to go to on my gaming PC). I can't imagine using windows for serious work now, its just awful, looks like a kids OS, endless adverts and interruptions, messy, unstable, unstructured, no thanks, I got work to do.

As an image/media professional Apples CPU's clobber windoze stuff in snappiness, reliability, silence, it really does just work - and Mac OS is for me, a grown ups OS - stable and doesn't want to infuriate you.

I'm still using an M1 Max for my day to day and it just ruins what was at the time I got it (5600x) the same age as my M1 Max - M4 Max now is benching way higher than PC processors.

Sure you could get a modern 'monster' PC now and spec it up - but even if it was theoretically faster, just feels snappier on Mac.

Even then if I was given a pc from 10 years in the future, if it was running windoze for work, I just couldnt bring myself to use it, the OS just lets it down - I only use windows 10 on my gaming pc as its the least annoying to get me from booting to running the game.
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Rroff said:
I don't have the game but the 3D V cache CPUs tend to do well in stuff which is traditionally single thread heavy - there are some exceptions though where the 14900 is king in some older single thread heavy games. (Depends if the main game thread is repeatedly accessing the same information which can be cached the 3D cache CPUs do well, otherwise MHz is key).
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A lot of people don't work in media etc the 9800x3d is comparable to 12900k for productivity from what I've seen. I work infinancial, my wife works in a school. I'm running a 7800x3d and when work from home, running reuters, bloomberg, 3 trading platforms and 8 or 9 spreadsheets, one with masive macro's, as well as several chat groups(whatsaap/icechat.bbmg), outlok etc. 7800x3d handles it but 9800x3d will do it better(can sometimes get a slight pause when macro refresh, but get that o the 14700k at work also). My wife is a finance manager and uses my 5800x build or laptop with a 7735u in it for her work no problem
watching yt for productivity is very squewed, as they all rave about how quickly they can do their vid encoding and how much time it saves them etc...really, and that helps me and the millions that work in city and offices around the country...9800x3d more than enough for office work and a no brainer for gaming, so if you can afford it, why wouldn't you get it..wfh during day no problem, and gaming monster in evening(gpu dependent of course)
busy at work and missed the boat yesterday. Son's 18th in 3 weeks. Was going to get the 9800x3d and shove it in my machine (see if i notice a diff for work) and build him a pc around the 7800x3d but never mind.
 
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