Not true. Routine antibiotic use and hormone enhancers are not used in UK. Antibiotic use is banned in EU. Organic meat forbids both.
Would you eat it ? Lab grown meat
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How dae ye stop yer Highland Coos from gettin' sick then, laddie?
They still use innoculations, non-organic feeds, pesticide and herbicide-laden grains, GMO additives and so on, though...?
And a lot of meat sold in supermarkets is still not free-range organic additive-free.
The link from the meat association was a green washing exercise, no more no less.They don't ONLY say that:
I thought I would just post the link to the full article so people could read it all rather than post cherry picked paragraphs but it appears the above was missed in favour of selecting the items that fit your argument instead
Farming gets the finger pointed at it because around 70% of the U.K. land mass is used for agriculture and only around 8% is built on.
It’s inconceivable that the 8% that is built on has done more to destroy habitats than the 70% handed over to agriculture.
That’s before considering all the pesticides that historically got sprayed all over the place and all the run off that ends up in the streams and rivers. Don’t get me wrong, the sector is learning and doing better than it ever has but the horse has very much bolted, it then got ran over by a tractor and ploughed into the nearest field so it’s not getting back into the stable.
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Thats just flat out wrong mate.
Concerning increase in antibiotic use in the pig industry
Loopholes in antibiotic policies must urgently be closed
www.ciwf.org.uk
Its even used on "free range" pig farms, because believe it or not, the overgrown pink, sickly pigs that are forced into gas chambers at 6months old, are not healthy.
Oh yea, animal farming is great for the countryside, especially the streams and rivers that get constantly polluted.
What's polluting the River Wye? | Herefordshire Wildlife Trust
From chicken manure to sewage, we're diving into the detail!
www.herefordshirewt.org
"The main pollution causing concern is phosphate. Around 73% comes from nutrients leaching from livestock manure into the river and around 22% is from sewage treatment works."
As for lab grown meat, I think it can only be a good thing for the animals that will not be getting stabbed obviously, and environmental benefits.
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Oh ok...
Tell me where they are incorrect and I will look at that but simply foo-fooing a source with a throwaway comment and nothing more will result in my reaction there.
Ah, now you are going above the actual land being changed and bringing on other activities like pesticides that run into rivers and streams, which is a reasonable point.... Can we also therefore mention the vast quantities of sewage, primarily created from activities in said build up areas, being pumped into the same rivers and streams you talk about? Surely that has a massive effect on the wildlife as well.
Oh yea, animal farming is great for the countryside, especially the streams and rivers that get constantly polluted.
What's polluting the River Wye? | Herefordshire Wildlife Trust
From chicken manure to sewage, we're diving into the detail!
"The main pollution causing concern is phosphate. Around 73% comes from nutrients leaching from livestock manure into the river and around 22% is from sewage treatment works."
So you choose a singular waterway and base your argument on that?
Oxford University disagrees with you - New study finds that sewage release is worse for rivers than agriculture
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Thats fair, I never claimed animal ag to be the only source of river pollution.
Do you not remember the poisoning of people in devon last year? I lost count the times I opened up the BBC app to see some other river or stream polluted by some dairy farmer.
Cause of town's explosive diarrhoea discovered and it's truly gross
It's not known exactly how many people have been struck down with the illness.
metro.co.uk
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No idea, transport is pretty essential though, fisting cows so humans can take their milk isnt.
Nope.
"Organic is currently the only certified system that explicitly limits farm antibiotic use and requires farmers to use other methods to prevent and treat disease, with antibiotics available as a last resort for sick animals."
Routine antibiotics is not permitted under soil association organic status.
From Soil association.
"Currently, the UK has a ban on producing and importing hormone treated beef (and other hormone treated meats) due to public health concerns. "
You can use antibiotics if the animal is sick, it's the routine use of if it's sick or not that other countries do that simply doesn't happen here, and isn't permitted under organic status.
There's no hormone treated beef either, that's banned.
Pesticides is a different matter. If you eat organic veg and meat, and the feed for meat is pesticide free.
If not organic, a vegetarian/vegan is eating just as much pesticides as a meat eater, probably more.
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Thats fair, I never claimed animal ag to be the only source of river pollution.
Do you not remember the poisoning of people in devon last year? I lost count the times I opened up the BBC app to see some other river or stream polluted by some dairy farmer.
Cause of town's explosive diarrhoea discovered and it's truly gross
It's not known exactly how many people have been struck down with the illness.
Are you actually going to answer the question that the thread asked, or are you just here to push your vegan agenda?
Of course not, and he also actually thinks that he's helping his cause, a bit like JSO protestors but without the balls to do anything other than whine like a little bitch on internet forums
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Read my post, I did. Maybe ask Diddums the same question with his obvious troll attempt, your bias is showing.
What do you mean "nope"? lol Youre wrong, did you even look at the link provided?
You said this "Routine antibiotic use and hormone enhancers are not used in UK. Antibiotic use is banned in EU"
That is wrong regarding antibiotic use.
How do you think the chickens and pigs that are from factory farms (so most animals) survive long enough to reach the slaughterhouse? ANTI BIOTICS.
UK supermarkets not doing enough to tackle antibiotic misuse, report says
Findings come amid growing concerns about overuse of medicines in farm animals and rise of superbugs
www.theguardian.com
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And what percentages of the market/consumption volume do free-range organic meats occupy versus cack meat?
I expect the nice stuff is in a considerable minority, especially when you include all the catering industries, from takeaway and fast food junk to catering services using the cheapest options for better profit margins.
Bio-synthetic meat may end up being healthier, than the junk level meat at least, by way of not needing all the added crap used in the low-end stuff.
Thats just flat out wrong mate.
Concerning increase in antibiotic use in the pig industry
Loopholes in antibiotic policies must urgently be closed
Its even used on "free range" pig farms, because believe it or not, the overgrown pink, sickly pigs that are forced into gas chambers at 6months old, are not healthy.
Oh yea, animal farming is great for the countryside, especially the streams and rivers that get constantly polluted.
What's polluting the River Wye? | Herefordshire Wildlife Trust
From chicken manure to sewage, we're diving into the detail!
"The main pollution causing concern is phosphate. Around 73% comes from nutrients leaching from livestock manure into the river and around 22% is from sewage treatment works."
As for lab grown meat, I think it can only be a good thing for the animals that will not be getting stabbed obviously, and environmental benefits.
Thats fair, I never claimed animal ag to be the only source of river pollution.
Do you not remember the poisoning of people in devon last year? I lost count the times I opened up the BBC app to see some other river or stream polluted by some dairy farmer.
Cause of town's explosive diarrhoea discovered and it's truly gross
It's not known exactly how many people have been struck down with the illness.
Read my post, I did. Maybe ask Diddums the same question with his obvious troll attempt, your bias is showing.
What do you mean "nope"? lol Youre wrong, did you even look at the link provided?
You said this "Routine antibiotic use and hormone enhancers are not used in UK. Antibiotic use is banned in EU"
That is wrong.
How do you think the chickens and pigs that are from factory farms (so most animals) survive long enough to reach the slaughterhouse? ANTI BIOTICS.
UK supermarkets not doing enough to tackle antibiotic misuse, report says
Findings come amid growing concerns about overuse of medicines in farm animals and rise of superbugs
I'd suggest you re-read your own posts mate. You didn't answer the question. I've quoted all of your posts for you, so you don't even need to look for them. As usual, your bias is showing.
No it isn't.
EU has banned antibiotics.
Hormone treatment is banned in UK.
Cattle in UK are not given routine antibiotics. There may well be some dodgy factory farms misusing them to get around their shoddy hygene, but routine antibiotics are not used across the board. As I've already stated, they're prohibited for organic produce.
Putting you on ignore.
It may well be. But we should just legislate better farming practises across the board instead.