A semi-deep dive on cooking oils - discuss

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These days I reckon a majority of people have some sort of opinion on cooking oils. To me it seems quite difficult to know exactly where to stand though.

Here's a very high level gist, but it's very non-committal around forming any sort of conclusion

So to delve deeper, back in the day butter, marg, lard etc. were used for cooking until somewhere around the 1950s, cooking oils like vegetable oil started to come about and only ever gathered popularity until the last few years. The reason for this is probably mostly due to cost and market capitalism, but also partly because of the idea that consuming less saturated fats is good for you. Butter, marg, lard etc contain much higher amounts, and there is a proven link between excessive saturated fat consumption and the risk of heart attacks and other coronary diseases.

However, you can't really have missed that there's now a lot of hype around the dangers of seed oils, with endless instagram/facebook etc influencers claiming that they increase inflammation and can increase cancer risks. And that butter/tallow/lard is a safer - not to mention more 'natural' - alternative.

Until recently I was happy to dismiss these worries, but at the end of last year the results of study which warned of their dangers got some traction in mainstream media

Once you see this sort of thing hitting the mainstream, you can't help but feel like a 'better safe than sorry' approach might be worthwhile, so I started looking at buying olive oil as a replacement for vegetable oil (which is actually rapeseed oil). But then you see say at Tesco, 1L of own brand Olive Oil is £7.00 and 1L of own brand Veg Oil is £2.00. At 3.5x times the price - no doubt in part due to all the social media specialists telling people to stay away from seed oils - you then go back to thinking actually maybe I WON'T worry about it.


Going deeper into the actual science behind the issue, there are 2 reasons why some claim seed oils are harmful.

The first is the inflammation issue, which is down to the imbalance between Omega-3 and Omega-6 in your diet. Some seed oils supposedly have an awful lot of 6, but very little 3. There's tonnes of sources on this topic out there, but the actual real-world application for humans isn't that clear and the conclusions are very mixed.


At the end of reading into this, my conclusion is that as long as you are getting a decent amount of omega-3s, you are probably not going to fall foul of any issues. Indeed a lot of advice suggests assessing the ratio of omegas in your oils.

Below is a clear chart which looks at the makeup of common cooking oils/fats and the glaring thing for me is that olive oil contains almost no omega-3, but does contain some omega-6s, and has a much higher 6/3 ratio [=10] than canola (same as veg. oil) [= 2.1]. So if you are specifically worried about all the inflammation/omega6:3 ratio stuff, unless I'm missing something, olive oil is not actually the answer?


The second claim why seed oils are harmful is down to the way they are produced, in particular the use of hexane. Hexane is an industrial solvent, and due to being derived from crude oil and being a volatile substance, again social media shouty types have highlighted this as a scandal.

The rebuttal is that the trace levels remaining after production of the oil is less than 1 part per million, which is an entirely safe level, and probably is dwarfed by the amount of similar toxins that are ingested just by walking next to a road, according to the Harvard School of Public Health. Worth noting, from what I can read the EU regulates this to 1ppm, but apparently the US doesn't. Maybe that's a source of the issue where in the US levels can be higher.

Finally, there is an aspect which is common to all cooking oils, which is the smoke point. It's commonly said that if you exceed the smoke point of an oil during cooking, the compounds in it can break down and become rancid and harmful. This is more likely to happen when cooking with butter or olive oil than it is with refined vegetable oils. I don't think it's a hugely complicating factor to any of the above, but just something to be aware of.


So which cooking oil do you use mostly, and why? Have I got some conclusions wrong? Missed some useful information that might change my mind? Really interested in proper discussion on this. At the end of the day if I've correctly persuaded myself that I don't need to spend a fortune on olive oil because everyone else has got themselves in an unnecessary tizz about the matter then that would feel like a win.
 
i prefer to use olive oil but it is quite cost prohibitive currently, at least for me, so 'normal' vegetable oil is used more often than i'd like. i do use margarine on occasion for frying some things as it adds to the flavour and body of some dishes but yea, still primarily using veggie oil purely due to cost.
 
i use rapeseed oil which does not even seem to be on the chart

Rapeseed oil is rich in mono-unsaturated fatty acids, in omega-3 fatty acids and is low in saturated fatty acids. Rapeseed oil is interesting for its richness in omega-3 fatty acids, and for its low content in saturated fatty acids in comparison to other edible oils.
 
i use rapeseed oil which does not even seem to be on the chart

Rapeseed oil is rich in mono-unsaturated fatty acids, in omega-3 fatty acids and is low in saturated fatty acids. Rapeseed oil is interesting for its richness in omega-3 fatty acids, and for its low content in saturated fatty acids in comparison to other edible oils.

Americans call it Canola.
 
I get using olive oil as in dressings and stuff poured over salad, bread and pizza and with balsamic. But when you use it in a pan to cook with, what actually is meant to be the difference over vegetable/sunflower oil in terms of taste? Coz I don't think I can notice.
 
i use rapeseed oil which does not even seem to be on the chart

Rapeseed oil is rich in mono-unsaturated fatty acids, in omega-3 fatty acids and is low in saturated fatty acids. Rapeseed oil is interesting for its richness in omega-3 fatty acids, and for its low content in saturated fatty acids in comparison to other edible oils.
oh i must give rapeseed oil a whirl. certainly seems a more reasonable price than olive oil while a lot better, health wise, than veggie oil.
 
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oh i must give rapeseed oil a whirl. certainly seems a more reasonable price than olive oil while a lot better, health wise, than veggie oil.
Did no one read the whole post? Veg oil IS rapeseed oil.

You get cold-pressed rapeseed oil, which is the same thing but mechanically extracted. Maybe that's what you're referring too. But it's madness to write that 'rapeseed oil is a lot better than veggie oil'.
 
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I think the biggest health factor for any oil is the amount you use. There is an interesting graph I saw that equated the number of heart attacks in the US and the rise of processed oils and it tracks perfectly... But correlation does not equal causation. People are getting ill because their diet is ****. My grandparents fried stuff in lard, smoked strong cigarettes and drank when they could afford it. Fit as fiddles, and not fat as **** :p
 
This article might interest you, it gives some insight on how these oils are used in cooking today.


Nowadays I use lard/beef dripping or butter.
That's all largely irrelevant to modern cooking oils. The last paragraph is the only one that concerns how healthy the oil is itself, and the dangers there are down to trans fats, which everyone agrees are universally bad. No real bearing on the seed oil vs olive oil vs butter/lard discussion.

Why do you use the fats you do?
 
I just use ghee, though like everything the price seems to have gone mental the last couple of years.

I'm not one to get hysterical about which ingredient is supposed to be good or bad for you in the latest media report. However, I thought ghee (clarified butter) was definitely one of those high in saturated fat products that it was recommended should be used in moderation, rather than all the time?
 
I use a few different oils to cook with and will only be bothered by what they may or may not contain and any damage they may cause if I start drinking the stuff by the pint.
 
Groundnut oil is what I use now and that is healthy.

Olive oil has got way too expensive and the blend needed for frying is not pure anyway as it needs to withstand a high temperature so is mixed with refined oil.

Word on the street is seed oils are bad but never really done much reading on the subject :confused:
 
Rapeseed oil here.

Cooks well and is grown in the UK.

Yea annoyingly, if you look you'll find most vegetable oil (which is rapeseed oil lol) particularly sold in supermarkets here, actually comes from overseas, which is ridiculous really, because as you say it's grown here.
 
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