Jenson doesn't care mate. I think it's got to the point where they have gotten so big, it's almost like he's getting a kick out of deliberately telling us utter BS and watching people buy into it.
The more you buy.........
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At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?
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Jenson doesn't care mate. I think it's got to the point where they have gotten so big, it's almost like he's getting a kick out of deliberately telling us utter BS and watching people buy into it.
The more you buy.........
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I used to upgrade my GPU fairly regularly, but with prices these days it's once every 5 years for me. They are slowly throttling their own industry.
Agreed. Overpriced GPUs will take the rest of the industry with it. The pain won't really be felt until the old cards don't get replaced and people give up on PC's, so it will take a few years.
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Are you sure? OCUK have already sold 11 5090s today..
And how many enthusiastic gamers are in this country? It's a miniscule number of sales. That said, we can't even say that these were bought by gamers in the first place - after all, these cards are still very good (and cheap) for pro and AI work.
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I'm sure all those triple A game companies are investing another 100 million in their new cutting edge game on the news 11 GPUs were sold today.
PC gaming isn't going to die, I already have more games on various platforms then I will ever play, it's the suppression of the cutting edge as the card the average gamer has becomes older and older and relatively worse
That just wont happen. Nvidia pulled $2.5 billion last quarter from PC gamers. The GPU market is way too lucrative for other players to not step in.
There are tons of companies paying attention to Nvidia's stupidity and salivating over a market that Nvidia does not value anymore.
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Ok but Intel gave it a go at tremendous cost and isn't going anywhere fast.
That's also what companies will have in their mind.
Same here, it has got to the point now of just update the whole platform once gpus and platform prices become in the realm of reality again. I use to update CPUS and GPUS all the time in the past now I just buy the top CPU for the platform from the start and best GPU available and wait for a few years to pass 5-6 years and update the whole thing again. It really has become pointless updating as we did in the past now with silly prices and tiny gains in some cases.
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It doesn't help that a lot of new AAA games are absolute rubbish. The games I play require much less than my 4090 to run very well as it's.
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"At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?"
Not gonna lie; paying £320 for a low-end GPU like the 9060 with a tiny-die and 128bit memory bus is coming awefully close to that point!
Not gonna lie; paying £320 for a low-end GPU like the 9060 with a tiny-die and 128bit memory bus is coming awefully close to that point!
Not really true, the B580 is a great value card if you can get one for near RRP.
For high end... 4090 price was/is the limit really.
£2k for a GPU is just dumb, especially when you're getting buggy drivers needing nearly weekly hotfixes or updates that don't even fix much of what the notes say they fix for many. Money well spent!
For £2k I'd expect to get flawless support and drivers, like Nv employed a dedicated driver team just for those class of cards. you want the best? you pay for it but also get the best service out of it. Otherwise once again, beta testing for the trillion dollar company whilst handing them over £2k lol.
Same concept as let's say Merc S Class, don't hear C Class owners moaning because they don't get S class features and quality.
£2k for a GPU is just dumb, especially when you're getting buggy drivers needing nearly weekly hotfixes or updates that don't even fix much of what the notes say they fix for many. Money well spent!
For £2k I'd expect to get flawless support and drivers, like Nv employed a dedicated driver team just for those class of cards. you want the best? you pay for it but also get the best service out of it. Otherwise once again, beta testing for the trillion dollar company whilst handing them over £2k lol.
Same concept as let's say Merc S Class, don't hear C Class owners moaning because they don't get S class features and quality.
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Large stock levels at OCUK - just a few short months after release - and hefty discounting seem to suggest otherwise. The "FOMO mob" have now gone. Let's see if that "wildly successful" actually materialises over the next few months.
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I have had access to practically every GPU on the market over the past 6 years. I had the option to buy any of them at cost price and haven't bought a single one. Still on the 2080. Prices are disgusting and I refuse to participate in any of it.
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This is normal - low stock for months and months is not normal pre-3000 series.
You can’t sell something you don’t have
By discounting do you mean the removal of prices which are pre-scalped for your convenience? £2K is RRP.
back in the day you used to get 2-3 new games with a card.
Given they have shipped more cards than previous generations at higher prices, ‘successful’ is a fair assessment of the situation from Nvidia’s perspective.The "FOMO mob" have now gone. Let's see if that "wildly successful" actually materialises over the next few months.
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I'm not nearly so sure of that. The barriers to entry in the GPU space are gargantuan. Assembling a team capable of designing a competitive GPU, getting that design done and fabbed, coding drivers with good stability and performance, all that is a huge task that would take an absolute minimum of 5 years and a budget running to several hundred million.
if you're a tech investor are you going to put your money into a $2.5bn market that Intel, with all their resources, has barely been able to impact despite spending stupid amounts of money? No, you wouldn't; you'd look for a startup designing an AI chip instead. Lower barriers, 30-50x bigger potential market. Same reason why NVidia and AMD don't really care about gaming any more, AI processors take much of the same skillset and resources but offer a bigger potential payoff.
And I'm not even going into the financial insanity of using precious fab allocations for GPUs that make almost no money. Unfortunately we gamers are going to get crumbs from the AI table unless the bubble bursts.
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theres no ai bubble, nvidia will pivot to a different fab for consumer products so that the 2 business lines dont directly compete with each other for fab capacity
its still far too into the future because nvdia still hasnt provided any guidance to investors, they would often make such big changes known well in advance because its vital insider information thats best disclosed as soon as possible, so theres no hope for rtx 60 being a great launch, the ball's pretty much in amd's court as to what they wish to do about nvidia's passive stance
gaming and ai chip designs have diverged so theres no way to bin chips between different applications
workstation chips are still considered lucrative, as nvidia often sells them directly at inflated prices for a huge margin
its still far too into the future because nvdia still hasnt provided any guidance to investors, they would often make such big changes known well in advance because its vital insider information thats best disclosed as soon as possible, so theres no hope for rtx 60 being a great launch, the ball's pretty much in amd's court as to what they wish to do about nvidia's passive stance
gaming and ai chip designs have diverged so theres no way to bin chips between different applications
workstation chips are still considered lucrative, as nvidia often sells them directly at inflated prices for a huge margin