his brother in another row is gone, it's honestly horrid to think about. RIP to all.
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You have to assume both pilots were in the cockpit, if one tried that surely there would be a reaction from the other which would probably be visible as erratic flying.Yep and they've opened the airport again (I believe) so that would appear to rule out contaminated stock at the airport.
So, not much left. It'd be horrible if this was another pilot suicide
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Yes, survivor guilt is a real thing.
Why is this?Horrific
If the pilot monitoring kills the engines not long after rotation, the pilot flying would be doing nothing but attempting to fly straight and keep the aircraft airborne. Pilot suicide doesn't necessarily mean a struggle.
Kill the engines like above, and there's absolutely no chance of recovery.
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You've got to be really twisted to take a plane full of people with you if you are suicidal.
Since Andreas Lubitz they don't leave one pilot alone in the cockpit
Since Andreas Lubitz they don't leave one pilot alone in the cockpit
Rotate, count to 5 , throttle back to idle, pilot is ` wtf` and pushes toga but its too late
Looking at another video that shows the takeoff from behind and earlier in the process, it looks like it was climbing completely normally up to a point where it seemed to have no power. No,sign of bird strike at all, no sign of failure just a complete loss of power.
Still unlikely though.
Usually these things are like a Swiss cheese with many errors that in isolation don't cause problems but if they all line up it causes something big.
Yup. It's confirmed. British guy who was in something like seat 11a. Wonder if he's been thrown clear in the initial impact and as a result avoided the fire.
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RAT def deployed, suggesting dual engine failure.
That's really awful luck if some catastrophic failure happened that took out both engines and that exact point (IE the absolute worst possible time for it to happen). Seconds earlier and they may have been able to abort take off, and seconds later the plane may have had enough altitude to turn and attempt some sort of crash landing.
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Surely as a safety precaution some immediate backup should kick in and not take about a minute to activate? or am I just living in a dreamworld safety scenario.
At least give plane enough power to go back around and land.
At least give plane enough power to go back around and land.
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Oh please don't get me wrong. I really hope it is indeed a chain of errors, but a dual engine failure is extremely rare. And it looks to have happened simultaneously as there's no hard yaw or rudder input.
Pull the engine master switches just as you get in the air and it's game over:
- elec gens disconnect and wipe out pretty much everything in the cockpit as well as flight controls
- RAT will deploy to give some flight controls and electrics back, but only bare essentials in the cockpit
- engines wind down, leaving you with no thrust
- engine start needs the APU, but that takes up to 90 seconds to come online, and engine start another minute or two per engine.
It is absolutely game over, and as grim as it is, I think it should be given a minor thought as a possibility in this instance.
See my post above. You can get some basic electrical and hydraulic power back with the RAT, but not the engines. They need an APU (or lots of airspeed) to attempt start. You can't do that 100ft off the ground.
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Any reason why you say that don’t have the best reputation? No accident in over 10 years safety rating of 4 out of 7 comparable with European airlines.
If they had a bad safety rating they wouldn’t be allowed in the EU airspace like some Indonesian airlines
Easy to see inputs like that on the data recorder, hope its found.