*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[MCFC_ANDY]

OK, I’m not defending 8GB GPUs, but did you read the article before you made the ludicrous claim that AMD are much worse at it? The AMD 8GB card is faring better than Nvidia 8GB.

I think both are a waste of money, but someone else with a low end system and a 1080p monitor might find value in them.

was talking about way amd follow what nvidia are doing, not the actual gpu or its performance,but on performance even at 1080p these 8gb gpus can have issues, that has been shown, so how you can defend 8gb at 300 quid is beyond me tbh, your far better off going to the used market than pay 300 quid or over for hobbled gpus

 

[ICDP]

was talking about way amd follow what nvidia are doing, not the actual gpu or its performance,but on performance even at 1080p these 8gb gpus can have issues, that has been shown, so how you can defend 8gb at 300 quid is beyond me tbh, your far better off going to the used market than pay 300 quid or over for hobbled gpus

Then you would be wrong, because AMD are not copying Nvidia here. 8GB GPUs have been a thing for over a decade, when it was considered overkill back then. In fact the first 8GB gaming GPU was the 290X from AMD, so technically Nvidia are copying AMD if we are being pedantic.

We agree 8GB is a terrible idea in 2025 and I am not defending 8GB. I am categorically not, I am saying we can’t judge if someone else finds value in them.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Then you would be wrong, because AMD are not copying Nvidia here. 8GB GPUs have been a thing for over a decade, when it was considered overkill back then. In fact the first 8GB gaming GPU was the 290X from AMD, so technically Nvidia are copying AMD if we are being pedantic.

We agree 8GB is a terrible idea in 2025 and I am not defending 8GB. I am categorically not, I am saying we can’t judge if someone else finds value in them.

I guarantee if AMD hadn't released a 8gb they would have walked this generation without muddying their name unlike clowns at Nvidia whose rep can't get worse.. It's plain silly launching £300 8gb GPUs in 2025. The problems where clear with the 60 class 8gb. That should have told AMD to either limit the amount of 8gb released or cancel the damn thing, but they released and walked right into another media mauling and gamers watch these maulings

 

[ICDP]

I don’t disagree.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

I don’t disagree.

thats one good thing about different mindsets, we can agree to disagree
its actually nice to have different opinion's yet put forward a case rather that descending into chaos like other threads i wont name on here

 

[Chrisc]

I guarantee if AMD hadn't released a 8gb they would have walked this generation without muddying their name unlike clowns at Nvidia whose rep can't get worse.. It's plain silly launching £300 8gb GPUs in 2025. The problems where clear with the 60 class 8gb. That should have told AMD to either limit the amount of 8gb released or cancel the damn thing, but they released and walked right into another media mauling and gamers watch these maulings

They may have gotten away with it fairly unscathed if the lowest model came with 12gb.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I could be wrong here, but I seem to remember seeing a comment that the 16GB was really what AMD intended the average western market buyer to go for (for good reason), but the 8GB was still there because certain markets want and demand such a card (certain OEMs, Asian e-sports cafes etc). (and why they sampled the 8GB to reviewers in certain markets, and not to others).

I could be wrong; but I don't have an issue with them making such a card available if segments of the market demand it (they're a business after all), what they should be doing though is ensuring the vast majority of cards available in the West on the open hardware market are the 16GB variant; and the 8GB variant remains basically OEM only.

I can understand why they didnt want to call the 8GB the 9060 or similar though, as the core is untouched compared to the 16GB model, its just that memory...

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Think that's huge part of it same name imo. We would have seen very little backlash if different naming, even twiddling with it and dropping price as £300 for a few quid at most less vram is a micky take as well especially ddr6 which is peanuts.

I understand the SI argument though, may not agree with it, but understand it

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I dont think AMD are in the same position that Nvidia is, they have to listen to SIs etc more closely as they just don't have the dominance, so if big enough customers demand a part, theyre pretty much required to try and do so.

They certainly aren't in the position to dictate to SIs and board partners in the way that Nvidia can, and regularly does.

But again, the 8GB should be virtually OEM only.
If they marketed as such, they'd have not had the kickback I dont think.

 

[Bidley]

There wasn't much they could do about the price - it's the same chip as the 16gb variant, so it costs the same to manufacture. Literally the only difference is 4 fewer VRAM modules. The issue is is that the 8gb card is a terrible configuration, and shouldn't exist. It's bottlenecked by the VRAM and is a waste of silicon, so OEM, Esports-only, whatever, it's a bad product. Same applies to the 5060ti 8gb.

They should've made a cut down die, given it 12gb VRAM and called it a 9060, if they absolutely needed to have a lower tier product.

The sampling thing is nonsense, because it's still available in the regions they didn't sample to. Although I find it telling that LTT was quiet about the 5060, but made a full video about the 9060xt.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

imo you have to slam both the 60 class and the 9060xt 8gb equally they both bad products to be aimed at gamers in 2025 and borderline very underhand with naming. will say not all games are impacted but the future?? and settings plays a part, but why should someone pay £300 and over and get stuttery mess or textures not loading blah blah etc etc.
this is someone not loyal to any brand and these are comments i hear when discussing pc gaming in work. so its fine if folk disagree, be bloody boring world if all thought the same.

but my 9070xt is awesome

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

imo you have to slam both the 60 class and the 9060xt 8gb equally they both bad products to be aimed at gamers in 2025 and borderline very underhand with naming. will say not all games are impacted but the future?? and settings plays a part, but why should someone pay £300 and over and get stuttery mess or textures not loading blah blah etc etc.
this is someone not loyal to any brand and these are comments i hear when discussing pc gaming in work. so its fine if folk disagree, be bloody boring world if all thought the same.

but my 9070xt is awesome

You keep saying over £300 but the 8gb is £270 and the 16gb is £315
Should they be cheaper? Yes. But so should all GPU.

You would think this has been the first time a GPU was released with 2 different vram amounts.

If you buy/own a GPU with 8gb you are not playing max settings at any resolution.

Hopefully nobody buys the 8gb and/or it quickly drops in price to reflect it's limitations.

It's been blown out of proportion basically because there's nothing else for anyone to talk about.

 

[humbug]

I guarantee if AMD hadn't released a 8gb they would have walked this generation without muddying their name unlike clowns at Nvidia whose rep can't get worse.. It's plain silly launching £300 8gb GPUs in 2025. The problems where clear with the 60 class 8gb. That should have told AMD to either limit the amount of 8gb released or cancel the damn thing, but they released and walked right into another media mauling and gamers watch these maulings

The 9060 XT is £270, i think that's over priced, not hugely, i would have liked to see it £240 but it is quite inexpensive.

It is a better card, much better card for this segment than the RTX 5060 and more often than not cheaper, its faster across the board, it works better on older systems with PCIe 3 and 4 lanes, it works much better with older slower CPU's, it handles its 8GB of VRam better than the Nvidia equivalent.
It is a better card in every aspect, to ignore all of this and instead do nothing but bang on about 8GB of VRam is a cynical choice by people like HUB to satisfy their narcissistic need for populist bashing approval and money from the clicks such crap generates.

I have 0 respect for this kind of tabloid journalism, its not about you or me and the rest of us on the purchasing end of all this, its about his own ego, he wants to control Nvidia and AMD as an "influencer", buying these cards is a choice, they cost less money than the 16GB versions and he's happy to take that choice away leaving you only with the more expensive 16GB version to get what he wants.

"Don't make it at all or we will aggressively **** on it no matter how good it actually is" The guy is an **** **** and i'm happy to tell him that to his face.

 

[humbug]

I'll say again what i have been saying from the start of all this VRam crap, my problem has never been with the existence of 8GB cards, my problem was always with charging £600 for them, they are no longer trying that on, take the win!

8GB cards is a choice, i like to see tech journalists show the problems one could have with that, but make it part of the overall review of the product and make it a whole review about every aspect of the product.

This 8GB VRam stuff has become their entire reason for existing, Frank is correct in saying people still buy 8GB cards in large numbers, Steam proves that out given 8GB cards are the ones witch top the Hardware Survey charts, they are not going to stop giving people that choice when they demonstrate overwhelmingly that they want that choice, so wind your neck's in Steve's.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I don't really mind that both sides make the 8GB cards, I'm sure there are people that will buy them and that they'll be fine for. What I do think is annoying is that they give them the same name as the 16GB versions. Last gen AMD had the 8gb RX 7600 and the 16GB RX 7600XT and I thought that was better. For me it's a bit like having things like a 5090 in a laptop that's actually performing like a 5090, at least have a 5090M or something to make it clearer. The same in this regard so system builders can't just list as build as having a 9060 XT.

What I don't like in a lot of the review videos for the 8GB cards is that they show the 16GB is better by playing at setting that neither card can really handle that well. If you start turning down settings to get an acceptable framerate do you also lower the VRAM requirement? I realise there are some games that do hit a playable framerate on the 16GB model, but not in all games. What I'd be interested in them doing is a side-by-side comparison of what a game looks like when you've turned enough settings down to achieve a target framerate of at least 60FPS.

I seem to recall most review sites also didn't like the 5070 because of its 12GB VRAM. I wonder how long before they turn on 16GB?

 

[Armageus]

PowerColor Radeon RX 9060 XT Reaper 8 GB Review

We're taking a look at the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8 GB, which comes with only half the memory size of the 16 GB models, but is at least $50 cheaper. Data from the review suggests that NVIDIA's memory management is much less efficient than the one used on RDNA 4, giving AMD the upper hand.

www.techpowerup.com

It's worth an actual read rather than just the pre-judged "8GB is bad" mantra that many here have.

The pricing is still an issue - you'd be mad not to spend the little extra and get a 16GB model. If this was £239 or whatever then it would be far more attractive for those truly on a tight budget. As always there's rarely bad products, just bad pricing.

 

[MyBrainz]

Last gen AMD had the 8gb RX 7600 and the 16GB RX 7600XT and I thought that was better.

Exactly this.. xx60 non XT/Ti cards should be 8GB and the xx60 XT/Ti cards should be 16GB.

It would make things a lot clearer

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

These 8gb cards should be named differently and priced MUCH cheaper. They are rubbish compared to their 16gb counterparts.

Tech channels rightfully **** all over these cards, because they are made to fool people. Despite what humbug thinks, it’s not just HUB talking about this.

 

[RavenXXX2]

All those chips wasted in 8gb cards to see them never sell, a true waste of sand. Nvidia you can somewhat understand as they rule oem market but AMD should have been better.

 

[Bidley]

AMD and Nvidia are loving this defence of 8gb cards.

How many of you who are defending them are buying them? If not, why not?

People buy them in their droves because there are no alternatives at their price point, and mainly because they stick them in every overpriced prebuilt going.

It's not "narcissistic" to demand better VRAM configurations from multi-billion dollar corporations in 2025. There is no excuse for offering so little on products like the 9060xt and 5060ti.

They will "turn on 16gb" as soon as it's not enough VRAM to handle games at settings it should reasonably be able to handle given its pricing.

AMD and Nvidia have messed up because they have made two variants of cards that can perfectly highlight how badly too little VRAM can throttle a perfectly good GPU. Both 16gb cards perform so much better with enough VRAM.

I get it - the VRAM discussion is boring and repetitive. I'm fed up of hearing about it as well. Doesn't mean it isn't right.