Covert Narcissistic -Personality Disorder

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So I spoke about BPD/EUPD, another little gem for us is the hidden Narcissist,

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Unlike the typical "grandiose" narcissist who is loud, arrogant, and attention-seeking, the covert narcissist is much more subtle. They often come across as shy, sensitive, or even self-deprecating — but underneath, they still crave admiration, manipulate others emotionally, and lack true empathy.
Covert narcissists don’t fit the typical stereotype. Unlike their more obvious, grandiose counterparts — who are loud, arrogant, and desperate for the spotlight — covert narcissists are much more subtle. They often present as shy, sensitive, or even self-critical. But beneath that exterior, they still crave attention, manipulate emotions, and show very little genuine empathy.

Here are some common patterns to watch out for:

Always the Victim
They often cast themselves as the wronged party, even when they’re clearly in the wrong. This tactic wins sympathy and helps them dodge accountability.

False Modesty
They might come across as humble or self-effacing, but it’s often an act. The goal is to fish for compliments or praise without appearing to ask for it outright. “Oh, I didn’t do much,” they’ll say, hoping you’ll disagree and flatter them.

Backhanded Compliments
Their compliments often carry a sting — like “You’re so brave to wear something like that!” It’s a way to undermine others while pretending to be nice.

Emotional Games
They’re experts at using guilt, sulking, or passive-aggressive behaviour to manipulate those around them. The silent treatment is a classic weapon.

Gaslighting
They twist the truth, deny things they’ve said or done, and leave you doubting your own memory. Over time, this can really mess with your head.

Undermining in the Shadows
Instead of open confrontation, covert narcissists often operate behind the scenes — gossiping, excluding, or subtly sabotaging others while keeping their hands clean.

Playing the Martyr
They’ll go out of their way to “help” or sacrifice for you — only to bring it up later as emotional blackmail. “After everything I’ve done for you...” is a phrase you’ll hear more than once.

Chameleon Behaviour
They often mirror your personality, interests, or emotions to gain your trust. But once you’re no longer useful to them, their mask drops, and you might barely recognise the person they become.

Fragile but Vengeful
They might seem delicate or easily hurt, but underneath lies simmering resentment. Criticise them, and they’ll often retaliate — subtly, but with intent.

Triangulation
They love to involve third parties in conflicts, creating tension or jealousy between people to maintain control and feel superior.

The damage they cause can be just as harmful, if not more so, because it’s harder to recognise — and easier to doubt your own instincts when dealing with them. They are often a master of gaslighting and are probably worse than normal narcissist as its often hard to spot them from the outside.
If you are in a relationship with someone with any sort of PD, learn about the issues and how to cope. There are lots of youtube videos around

More info here

 
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My quick skim-read makes me think that sounds more like psychopathic behaviour than a typical narcissist.

I don't even view being a narcissist as bad. To an extent we all have to have some degree of narcissism. Just don't be like Narcissus and love yourself so much you turn into a flower.
 
There's a lot of crossover between BDP and narcissism, lack of core healthy self, lack of empathy, to name a couple.
gaslighting over time can be a real head ****
 
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Unfortunately one of my exes fits this bill perfectly, I didn’t realise until I finally broke up with her and looked back on things and researched her strange behaviours while trying to make sense of them

I wouldn’t wish it upon anybody and I’d honestly recommend anybody who sees the signs just gets out if possible, I don’t think the behaviours will ever make sense to somebody with a “normally” functioning brain
 
That's because yo-mama and yo-dada were to lazy to discipline them and just left them hanging on the social media and TwitTwok..

Jim Jeffries' take on it was perfect. I'll whatsapp it to you, if I posted it on here the forum would probably self destruct.
 
Used to work for one of these. When I went for the job interview, he seemed shy, reserved and geeky. Said one of his favourite hobbies was reading about Roman history. I thought we'd get on fine.

Then spent 6.5 years working for him. Learnt a lot, but lost a lot of my sanity in the process. Some days he would be a laugh, we'd have interesting conversations and discuss what we had in common. Other days he'd be in a ferocious mood, spotting one tiny detail someone had got wrong on some designs and read them the riot act. Created such a terrible atmosphere in the office, just by being there. He'd he'd claim that he'd done work we all knew he hadn't. Then he'd throw people under the bus in meetings, occasionally making members of staff cry. The worst thing was that he would never, ever admit he was wrong even if the evidence was glaring. Tried to gaslight and blame others. Drove me mad at points. Unfortunately I started looking for a job just as COVID hit, so that meant I had to stay another year with him. That was fun...
 
My quick skim-read makes me think that sounds more like psychopathic behaviour than a typical narcissist.

I don't even view being a narcissist as bad. To an extent we all have to have some degree of narcissism. Just don't be like Narcissus and love yourself so much you turn into a flower.
That's why this is not just narcissism but narcissistic personality disorder.

I think I identified as a narcissist when I was about 18 and sort of held onto the concept for a bit then it faded away behind newer learnings about myself. But NPD is a lot more extreme and problematic.
 
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