No one talking about the "attack" on the RAF refueling aircraft?
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Read about this days ago on the BBC website, yes, the "fake" news site. Good that the government are taking tough action.
The paint went in the engines, so the bill is in the millions and those two aircraft, 20% of the fleet, are now unservicable.Hang on a minute, they broke in to an RAF base to paint an aircraft, and this is all they managed? What were they painting with? A toothbrush?
If that doesn't count as terrorism then I'm not sure what does tbh...
I dunno man. I thought terrorism was more blowing up schools and concerts. Like the targeting of innocent people. Not spraying some paint on a military jet. Have this group ever actually seriously injured or killed anyone? I had a quick look and they mostly seem to be throwing paint on stuff. Ok its vandalism running into the tens of millions so the individuals involved can expect to go away for a while but I'm not putting them up there with the IRA or Al Qaeda.
I just think prescribing this as terrorism somewhat dilutes the term.
I just think prescribing this as terrorism somewhat dilutes the term.
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We were not even allowed to open fire on someone even if they were driving at high speed with the intention of running you down or even if someone threw a petrol bomb at you as in both cases you were expected to simply get out of the way. We were not even allowed to beat someone into submission, instead we had to detain them and call for the RAF police!! Like I said, there are strict rules of engagement to follow and if you break them you are in a world of hurt. If it went to a court martial you could and probably would (if it was serious enough) end up in Colchester, the HM Forces prison. That isn't some cushy normal prison but a hell hole I wouldn't wish on anybody. We had a corporal who had to escort a prisoner there and he said that as soon as he got to the prison he felt like he himself was also being detained there as he had to march everywhere and commands were shouted at him. I think I had to hand my ROE's in when I left but I will have a look through my RAF stuff tomorrow. They really did tie our hands behind our backs with them and if you broke them there was no way out of the pain that was coming your way. It's not as if we could stand up to a prolonged firefight either. Even though we wore all the webbing with several pouches we only had a single 30 round magazine and that was attached to the rifle but with no bullet up the spout. That was another big no no. If you were caught with a bullet up the spout (made ready) that was a instant charge, lose a bullet = instant charge. Wrongful discharge = court martial and off to Colchester. My first ever guard duty was at RAF St Mawgan in Cornwall back when we had the trusty L1A1 7.62mm rifle, we had the rifle and a magazine but no bullets!! God knows what we were supposed to do if something happened but we still had our ROE book to follow.
What these idiots did was trespass and vandalism, it was nothing to do with terrorism at all. Terrorism legislation is being used for many things it wasn't intended to be for.
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Not the best picture but:
Card Alpha. Basically, it’s an imminent threat to human life and there’s no other way to prevent the danger.
I forget how many times I’ve watched that video…
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It's ok. They've got a DEI Leader at that camp, we can bring everyone into a workshop and understand unconscious bias and help the naughty people rewire their brains to be more inclusive.
They'll paint rainbow spray paint next time so no one gets offended.
Joking aside I think this highlights how poor the security was but also how daft the protesters are. I mean I'm very much more pro Anti Zionist than being on the Israel camp but still, this sort of protest just doesn't help your cause at all.
Labelling them as terrorists is just pathetic though.
They'll paint rainbow spray paint next time so no one gets offended.
Joking aside I think this highlights how poor the security was but also how daft the protesters are. I mean I'm very much more pro Anti Zionist than being on the Israel camp but still, this sort of protest just doesn't help your cause at all.
Labelling them as terrorists is just pathetic though.
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A youtubers take to the Judgemental Assessment Training videos the UKAF watch every year when required to carry out guard duties.
The actual video starts at 37 seconds, it references card alpha and gives a lot of different scenarios.
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Part 2, references protecting property right at the start and how opening fire isn't allowed.
The actual video starts at 37 seconds, it references card alpha and gives a lot of different scenarios.
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Part 2, references protecting property right at the start and how opening fire isn't allowed.
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Stupid thing to do.
Stupid thing to brand them a terrorist organisation.
I'm more concerned that the base's security was so poor, that's the main story.
Arrest the trespassing vandals but a terror group? Don't be ridiculous, focus on actual terrorist organisations who will now see this and see how easy it is to get on the base.
Stupid thing to brand them a terrorist organisation.
I'm more concerned that the base's security was so poor, that's the main story.
Arrest the trespassing vandals but a terror group? Don't be ridiculous, focus on actual terrorist organisations who will now see this and see how easy it is to get on the base.
Indeed, the main take away is the complete lack of security. that needs a national inquiry. Labelling a bunch of protestors that committed vandalism but not terrorism as a terrorist group is just removing freedom of speech, wont resolve anything and is being used to cover up the major security issues
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Exactly, the very definition of terrorism is violences and intimidation against civilians , not protesting even if it includes vandalism.
It's been heavily discussed in the labour gov thread: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...time-for-labour-party-haters.18991165/page-70Is it verboten to talk about it here ?
My feeling on it was that what justifies the terrorist attack label for me, is that they had a choice here.
They could have chosen the path of peace, to spray paint the side of the planes, maybe even write "Free Palestine", draw some attention to your cause, cause minor but repairable damage, good job. The planes may even have been used before the graffiti was removed which would have been a media/PR frenzy.
Instead they chose to the path of destruction, to unload 6-9 litres of paint into an aircraft engine knowing fully well it would permanently disable the engine and require it to be sent to the manufacturer for overhaul (costing the taxpayer tens if not hundreds of millions), then for good measure they chose to throw the empty extinguisher into the engine as hard as the could in order to further damage it and disable a plane they knew was vital to the UKs defence and had no role in Israel's war. All to try and influence government policy.
As for PA becoming classified as a terrorist group, again there was a choice, they could have put out a statement saying they did not condone the extreme actions of some rogue members, instead the group decided to claimed responsibility for the terrorist incident, brag about it's planning/execution/outcome and lie about the sites involvement in Israel's war.
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Their history on Wikipedia shows a depressing willingness for breaking and entering and criminal damage for political ends probably running into many millions of pounds. With increasing liability.
How does a terrorist organisation develop , I would suggest as above.
How does a terrorist organisation develop , I would suggest as above.
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It’s actually not, terrorism isn’t just suicide bombers at concerts.
The legal definition is as below (lifted from the Terrorism Act 2000:
The thing they did clearly fulfills subsection 2 (b) as the damage will run into the 10’s of millions.
In my view it clearly fulfils subsection 1 (b) and (c), What they did was purported against the U.K. government, it was intended to influence the government and it was for the purpose of advancing a political and ideological cause.
The case for ideological is weaker but political is bang to rights.
People who think this is protesting need their heads examined. Protesting is rolling up to parliament square with a placard, doing some chanting and generally causing a nuisance. Vandalism is tagging an empty shop with some spray paint.
It was a pre-meditated attack targeting a military installation with the intent to damaging assets and infrastructure.
It’s not just what they did, it’s how they claimed credit, glorified the attack and suggested plans for more were already in motion which got them over the line to be put on the terror list.
You’d have to be mad to think the response was going to be anything but full and to the maximum extent legally possible in the U.K.
Correct. But the "Terrorism" Act 2000 defines "Terrorism" in a way that is absurdly different from the actual meaning of the word - real black is white up is down stuff - and, amazingly, the Government led by a former Human Rights Lawyer is the first to be willing to abuse the law to the full extent of its stupidity.
Yeah. Chilling stuff.
This is the paint in the engine made quit a mess of it tbh. They filled a fire extinguisher with the paint.
Really bad bird strike?
