You can’t know the poster too well, they are infamous for being more confidently wrong than your favourite AI assistant.
If even go as far as saying the vast majority of what they write on this forum has no basis in fact.
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No one talking about the "attack" on the RAF refueling aircraft?
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You can’t know the poster too well, they are infamous for being more confidently wrong than your favourite AI assistant.
If even go as far as saying the vast majority of what they write on this forum has no basis in fact.
It's nice though that a potentially enemy force can just waltz into a base and destroy all the equipment there while the guards, if there are any, just stand there and say 'please don't do that' while trying to phone a policeman.
That’s kind of hyperbolic.
A random civilian isn’t an ‘enemy force’ no matter their motive.
They can still ‘engage’ them, just not with lethal force, I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand.
Using reasonable force to capture/restrain trespassers is more than permitted, it’s no different to a civilian police officer or well any civilian restraining someone to prevent crime.
A random civilian isn’t an ‘enemy force’ no matter their motive.
They can still ‘engage’ them, just not with lethal force, I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand.
Using reasonable force to capture/restrain trespassers is more than permitted, it’s no different to a civilian police officer or well any civilian restraining someone to prevent crime.
Don't they actually need guards for that though?
Who knows, maybe they'll get some more now, from somewhere. Be loads of disabled people looking for work soon.
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It's nice though that a potentially enemy force can just waltz into a base and destroy all the equipment there while the guards, if there are any, just stand there and say 'please don't do that' while trying to phone a policeman.
A lot of the RAF military ATZ's over the weekend are completely unmanned and you can fly straight over them. That is even more mad.
Our forces are a complete joke at the moment.
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Reading this thread has been eye opening.
I reckon I probably have more ammunition in my house than the average military base.
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Some people seem to think being in the military means you can open with full auto on anyone you don’t like the look of.
Hell yeah, did you get to bellow "*force*, stop stand still!"?
A guy that used to be in my old section once, while on guard, went prone and started aiming down sight. When asked wtaf he was doing by the Serco guys his reason was "It helps me focus" 0_0
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halt! please put down your spray can......... you have 5 seconds to comply!!!!........
seriously... i shudder to think of us getting like the US, but at the same time, trespassing on military land should really be something most people are afraid to do. Surely there is a happy medium between going full guns blazing and it being so easy for what happened last week?.
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It should be.
Many years ago, before sat navs were a thing, I was driving near Thetford trying to find my way to the A11 having taken a wrong turning and got lost. I'd figured out I need to go past RAF Mildenhall (then used as a US base, I think it still is) and was blindly following the signs to RAF Mildenhall and ended up driving into the base by accident. There was a little hut thing near the entrance but the barrier was up so I drove past it thinking I'd turn round at the roundabout beyond and head back out. As I drove past the hut a US soldier screamed at me and came running out after me. So I pulled over and said "I think I've taken a wrong turning"
"DAMN STRAIGHT YOU HAVE" he barked at me in the most delightfully US accent.
And then gave me directions back to the A11.
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That says more about you than military law.
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i hope it was proper full metal jacket drill sergeant !.
I don't think that but I, naively, thought if you wandered onto a base it would only be a matter of seconds before a bunch of squadies were pointing weapons at you asking what on earth you're doing.
Yup, they should be doing that - or rather at least should be challenging you/asking what you're doing - not necessarily pointing weapons at you. In the case of someone actively engaging in an act of sabotage, then pointing weapons, shouting and detaining them is very much what should be expected!
These people have brain worms - they're at the extreme tail of a bunch of people super upset at one of the (many) conflicts happening in the world*, and they feel impotent/want to do "something" even though the RAF isn't involved in it. I guess they're military planes or something, ergo, they'll have to suffice.
*which can be discussed in SC, not here - not even refering to it by name in this thread
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A double perimeter fence and CCTV with modern object recognition should make a lot of this trivial even on perimeters spanning miles unless they are particularly convoluted - it isn't like we are still in the days of 240-500 lines vertical resolution 0.5FPS cameras. For high dependency assets like refuellers it really shouldn't be a question of not having enough people to guard them effectively.
A lot of the failure here is complacency.
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Trouble is what if you miss and hit an Aircraft or fuel tanker or kill someone the other side of the airfield. The implications beyond shooting the intruder are huge and far too risky.