No one talking about the "attack" on the RAF refueling aircraft?

MOOGLEYS said:
Trouble is what if you miss and hit an Aircraft or fuel tanker or kill someone the other side of the airfield. The implications beyond shooting the intruder are huge and far too risky.
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You don't know if the intruder is carrying spray paint or a bomb, you'll take the shot. The implications for NOT shooting the intruders are even more huge. Especially if they were planting a bomb, in a fuel tanker, for a mega explosion to go off later possibly killing dozens.
 
Appreciate this is a little extreme but......

Sir Russian nuclear bomber approaching airspace "

"Scramble fighters"

"Can't sir, refueling plane is out of action "


And you don't want to do these hours for terrorism? They should be tied up and shot.

80 years ago that is exactly what would have happened.
 
subbytna said:
You don't know if the intruder is carrying spray paint or a bomb, you'll take the shot. The implications for NOT shooting the intruders are even more huge. Especially if they were planting a bomb, in a fuel tanker, for a mega explosion to go off later possibly killing dozens.
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No.

If you don’t know what they have, you don’t shoot. Protection of property does not count - if you think they’ve set up a bomb then you cordon off the area and call in the bomb squad.

Rules of engagement - you open fire for imminent threats to life only.

Anything else will land you in prison.
 
subbytna said:
You don't know if the intruder is carrying spray paint or a bomb, you'll take the shot. The implications for NOT shooting the intruders are even more huge. Especially if they were planting a bomb, in a fuel tanker, for a mega explosion to go off later possibly killing dozens.
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Remind me again of the last time someone tried to plant a bomb on a military aircraft in the UK. You don't risk doing millions of pounds of damage, or critically damaging an aircraft* (not to mention hitting someone hundreds of meters away) with a missed shot, or shooting someone who may actually be allowed on site but is not where you expected them to be, just because of some fantasy situation in peace time.

Also gaining external access to an aircraft is not the same as being able to actually do much, and every pilot and aircrew will do inspections of the aircraft (be it military or civilian) as part of their pre-flight and should spot anything external as the whole point of the standard pre-flight walkaround and inspection is to make sure the aircraft is externally as it should be, and what are often quite small things are set up as they need to be.

It is also worth noting this is peace time, if we were at war then rules of engagement for security would be different, and there would likely be both far more security and more people in general.


*A bullet hole is much harder to spot than trying to plant some imaginary bomb, and can cause a lot of damage that can't be seen without completely stripping the affected part of the aircraft down and tracing every fragment of the round.
 
JonRGV250 said:

20 years each at least.
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Probably not unfortunately, if previous court cases are anything to go by.

pounds 1.5m Hawk attack women freed

Four women walked free from Liverpool Crown Court yesterday after a jury found them not guilty of criminal charges despite their admission that they did more than pounds 1.5m worth of damage to a Hawk warplane.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

"Four women walked free from Liverpool Crown Court yesterday after a jury found them not guilty of criminal charges despite their admission that they did more than pounds 1.5m worth of damage to a Hawk warplane."

Although possibly the political climate has changed nowadays.
 
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Werewolf said:
Remind me again of the last time someone tried to plant a bomb on a military aircraft in the UK. You don't risk doing millions of pounds of damage, or critically damaging an aircraft* (not to mention hitting someone hundreds of meters away) with a missed shot, or shooting someone who may actually be allowed on site but is not where you expected them to be, just because of some fantasy situation in peace time.

Also gaining external access to an aircraft is not the same as being able to actually do much, and every pilot and aircrew will do inspections of the aircraft (be it military or civilian) as part of their pre-flight and should spot anything external as the whole point of the standard pre-flight walkaround and inspection is to make sure the aircraft is externally as it should be, and what are often quite small things are set up as they need to be.

It is also worth noting this is peace time, if we were at war then rules of engagement for security would be different, and there would likely be both far more security and more people in general.


*A bullet hole is much harder to spot than trying to plant some imaginary bomb, and can cause a lot of damage that can't be seen without completely stripping the affected part of the aircraft down and tracing every fragment of the round.
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Hasn't the PM said the UK should prepare for war on home soil and is now on a wartime footing?
Maybe security should be taken a little more seriously if that's the case. Still, only a bit of paint, and tens of millions of taxpayers money down the drain, no harm done.
 
The 2 clowns that scaled the QE2 bridge got 3 & 2 years 7 months for their “peaceful” protest, so I should imagine that these guys will get substantially more considering their involvement in Pal action.
This is a good time for our judiciary to show they actually have some balls.
 
Uther said:
Hasn't the PM said the UK should prepare for war on home soil and is now on a wartime footing?
Maybe security should be taken a little more seriously if that's the case. Still, only a bit of paint, and tens of millions of taxpayers money down the drain, no harm done.
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Then you prepare for that, not shooting everyone entering an air base.

I've seen/heard of loads of incidents where the person entering the base was innocent. A kid ran through a base once with a towel on his head shouting Ali akbar, a joke between him and his friends. Unfortunately the kid didn't look like one, but the boy on gaurd had the common sense not to shoot.

But yes security should be ramped up across the board. You can see on Google maps how bad some places are.
 
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