Air India Crash

Penfold101 said:
I’d forgotten about it till the links above were posted, and a quick google suggests the final report has not been released - assuming it ever will be. It does boggle the mind how simply ‘flying the plane’ seemed to be an afterthought.
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I was aware of the event but had never seen the report you posted. It's seems to be so vague as to be deliberate. And I would guess that since the image of the national carrier is so bound up with the image of the country there may well never be a final report.

But again, this is all hearsay and idle chatter on my part.
 
esmozz said:
I was aware of the event but had never seen the report you posted. It's seems to be so vague as to be deliberate. And I would guess that since the image of the national carrier is so bound up with the image of the country there may well never be a final report.

But again, this is all hearsay and idle chatter on my part.
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Indeed - you’ll just never see any of the four pilots again…
 
The longer this goes on the longer I feel like this I'll be some massive software failure on Beings part and they are doing whatever they can to keep it under wraps.
 
They cannot keep this under wraps if it comes down to them. They are already under massive scrutiny, so any further cover-ups would have to be extremely well orchestrated and I just can't see how they could come up with an alternative explanation that would be watertight.
 
adam cool dude said:
I don't think Boeing would make the same mistake twice but you never know. Everyone must be watching them like a hawk after what happened.
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The thing you have to remember here is that Boeing is Boeing in name, but since 1997 it has been McDonnell Douglas in operation.

Both the 787-8 and the 737-MAX were designed and produced under the MD mantra of building the most cost effective solution, rather than Boeing's mantra of building the most reliable/robust solution.
 
Penfold101 said:
I’d forgotten about it till the links above were posted, and a quick google suggests the final report has not been released - assuming it ever will be. It does boggle the mind how simply ‘flying the plane’ seemed to be an afterthought.
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I thought some wise guy after the previous flight had set 0 ft in the alt window then the pilots on that flight engaged the FDs then set the correct alt which messed the system up.
 
danlightbulb said:
Initially reports said the preliminary report wasn't going to be made public but now seeing some reports saying fuel cutoff switches?

Not sure what's correct.
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When no official report has been released, they have to do more speculation and make it SOUND official to keep engagement, clicks and money coming in.

It’s just one of the ways you could have both engines shut down simultaneously.

A report should be out in a few days - just wait for that. They couldn’t keep it secret if they tried.
 
Part of preliminary report
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One of the findings from the report outlines how a pilot could be heard asking the co-pilot in a voice recording of the cockpit in the moments before the crash: why did you cut off?

The report says that both engine fuel cut off switches were turned to "cut-off" with a time delay.

Below is an excerpt of that finding from the preliminary report:

"The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec.

"The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cutoff.

"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.""
 
Wow so the pilots cut off the fuel to both engines for no reason, tried to restart the engines but altitude was too low so crashed
 
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Bit more (source BBC BTW)

The preliminary report from India’s Air Accident Investigation Bureau into the loss of Air India flight 171, which killed 260 people, has cast attention firmly on the actions of the pilots.

As we just reported, the report says that according to data from the flight recorder both the fuel control switches, which are normally used to switch the engines on or off when on the ground, were moved from the run to the cutoff position shortly after takeoff.

This caused both engines to lose thrust.

It says that in the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why he “did the cutoff”. The other pilot, it says, responded that he did not do so.

It is not specified which voice is which. At the time the aircraft took off, the co-pilot was flying the plane, while the captain was monitoring.

The switches were then moved back into their normal inflight position, something which would automatically start the process of relighting the engines.

One engine, according to the report, was in the process of regaining thrust at the time the aircraft crashed. The other was relit but was not yet regaining thrust.

The report says: "At this stage of investigation, there are no recommended actions to B787-8 and/or GE GEnx-1B engine operators and manufacturers, suggesting that no significant fault has been found with the plane or its engines."

The report does not draw any conclusions, and points out that the investigation is continuing, but it is clear attention is now being focused on the actions of the pilots.
 
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