water surge pricing

Already on 'surge priced tarriff', nothing wrong with it, much like leccy you pay more for peak use. Water, a finite resource, has been cheap for far too long and certainly hasn't risen in price with inflation over the previous 40/50 years. High time those with pools, jaccuzzis and hosepipes paid double / triple, sadly we're nowehre near achieving that.

As for people complaining about leaks, it's a rather moot point. A large proportion of that water goes back into the ground, one way or the other. Stuff that goes down the drain is recycled and re-used so leaked water is not 'lost'
 
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Lyle44 said:
Already on 'surge priced tarriff', nothing wrong with it, much like leccy you pay more for peak use. Water, a finite resource, has been cheap for far too long and certainly hasn't risen in price with inflation over the previous 40/50 years. High time those with pools, jaccuzzis and hosepipes paid double / triple, sadly we're nowehre near achieving that.

As for people complaining about leaks, it's a rather moot point. A large proportion of that water goes back into the ground, one way or the other. Stuff that goes down the drain is recycled and re-used so leaked water is not 'lost'
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If water ever was seen like that then how the hell do you justify car washes? It should be for drinking, hygiene and irrigation only at that point.
 
I see a water boss has received a very large bonus, apparently the more sewage you dump the more you get paid.

I need to start screwing up at work more to receive failure payments asap ! Or is that just a rich person perk?

Also all these bloody car washes on every steeat corner kind of need clamping down on with water shortages becoming the norm asap.
 
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robj20 said:
If water ever was seen like that then how the hell do you justify car washes? It should be for drinking, hygiene and irrigation only at that point.
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Car washing is not essential. Once a month is more than enough, In the summer less, and even then a quick rinse down at the end is all that is needed.
 
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Hagar said:
Car washing is not essential. Once a month is more than enough, In the summer less, and even then a quick rinse down at the end is all that is needed.
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Yet car washes are always exempt from hose pipe bans. They're either essential or they aren't.
I probably wash mine 3 times a year.
 
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Lyle44 said:
Already on 'surge priced tarriff', nothing wrong with it, much like leccy you pay more for peak use. Water, a finite resource, has been cheap for far too long and certainly hasn't risen in price with inflation over the previous 40/50 years. High time those with pools, jaccuzzis and hosepipes paid double / triple, sadly we're nowehre near achieving that.

As for people complaining about leaks, it's a rather moot point. A large proportion of that water goes back into the ground, one way or the other. Stuff that goes down the drain is recycled and re-used so leaked water is not 'lost'
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"Water is a finite resource"

"Water goes down the drain and is recycled and reused"

lol



Lyle44 said:
High time those with pools, jaccuzzis and hosepipes paid double / triple, sadly we're nowehre near achieving that.
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They pay more than triple. It's called "metered consumption pricing".
 
Haggisman said:
Yes actually
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What?
So when you want a drink, it absolutely MUST be straight from the tap at the exact moment you have such thirst?
Well I suppose you need something to wash down all those Melton Mowbrays...

Diddums x said:
wtf kind of broken logic is that :cry:
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Same logic that already has us using storage heaters with cheap rate electricity.

Pho said:
I'm not close enough to the repair work side but generally I think the opinion is that the outsourced companies just want to get the job over with quickly and get paid. Ideally the water companies would be employing more skilled people internally to do it.
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It used to be internal. Most of them are ex-water company employees, who earn more money working for the contractors.

Blackjack Davy said:
15% leakage for SE water there are streams running down streets from leaking mains that have been there an age and we're still restricted from using it ourselves.
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Most leaks, once confirmed, will have a team on-site within hours. However, actual works are prohibited until the various NRSWA and local authority approvals are in place, which can take months if they want to be difficult about it.

Nasher said:
Just an extra way for the water cartels to rip us off. I'm assuming it won't get cheaper when we have a lot of rain?
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Depends on the rain. Massive deluges do nothing to replenish supply routes, as it just saturates the surface ground and then runs off.
You ideally want constant light-to-medium rainfall over a long period.

robj20 said:
Yet car washes are always exempt from hose pipe bans. They're either essential or they aren't.
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They're a livelihood for those workers, so considered exempt as bans could result in job losses.
 
ttaskmaster said:
What?
So when you want a drink, it absolutely MUST be straight from the tap at the exact moment you have such thirst?
Well I suppose you need something to wash down all those Melton Mowbrays...


Same logic that already has us using storage heaters with cheap rate electricity.


It used to be internal. Most of them are ex-water company employees, who earn more money working for the contractors.


Most leaks, once confirmed, will have a team on-site within hours. However, actual works are prohibited until the various NRSWA and local authority approvals are in place, which can take months if they want to be difficult about it.


Depends on the rain. Massive deluges do nothing to replenish supply routes, as it just saturates the surface ground and then runs off.
You ideally want constant light-to-medium rainfall over a long period.


They're a livelihood for those workers, so considered exempt as bans could result in job losses.
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Tough, water is either so valuable you can or can't wash your car, shouldn't come down to who makes money from it.
The only issue is lack of storage, were not even that low at the minute like 10% down from the yearly average for this time of year 65% Vs 77%, it's mostly the media making a huge deal out of it.
 
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ttaskmaster said:
Same logic that already has us using storage heaters with cheap rate electricity.
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No dude. No. You know just as well as I and everyone else that it'll be abused for profit. That needs to be stamped out whilst it's still a little twinkly in someone's eye, and it needs to be stamped out with enough ferocity to shut the next 300 people up who come up with such a stupid idea. Water isn't a luxury, it's literally the foundation of the pyramid of needs.
 
alchal said:
I see a water boss has received a very large bonus, apparently the more sewage you dump the more you get paid.

I need to start screwing up at work more to receive failure payments asap ! Or is that just a rich person perk?

Also all these bloody car washes on every steeat corner kind of need clamping down on with water shortages becoming the norm asap.
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You need to at least reach exec level for that :D

Failure bonuses and a then on to the next job once this company is run in to the ground. At least that's how it seems to work for CEOs.

If individuals did what the water companies are doing (taking state funding and basically commiting fraud) they would be in prison.
 
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robj20 said:
Tough, water is either so valuable you can or can't wash your car, shouldn't come down to who makes money from it.
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Hosepipe bans are a domestic restriction. Commercial users aren't affected by it.

Diddums x said:
No dude. No. You know just as well as I and everyone else that it'll be abused for profit. That needs to be stamped out whilst it's still a little twinkly in someone's eye, and it needs to be stamped out with enough ferocity to shut the next 300 people up who come up with such a stupid idea. Water isn't a luxury, it's literally the foundation of the pyramid of needs.
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They don't need economy tariffs to do that. If profit was the aim, they'd just put prices up outright.
And yes, it's all fundamental and all that... which is why they can't cut your water off, like they can your electric, and why there's almost nothing they can do if you don't pay your water bill (unless it can be proven that you're using excessive amounts).
This is why the tiered pricing of Severn Trent and Thames Water makes sense - If you're using more than the threshold 680 litres (?) a day, you're doing something seriously wrong!
 
Why do people get to refuse water meters on their properties? I didn't think you could generally if a whole area was being done? I seem to recall on our old house that we didn't get a choice and we were told all houses in the street were being done. Surely the priority should be to make it a mandatory country wide rollout where possible, otherwise people can (and obviously do) take the biscuit with pools/spas etc. This would surely largely eradicate the need for ideas like peak pricing models.
 
jaybee said:
Why do people get to refuse water meters on their properties? I didn't think you could generally if a whole area was being done? I seem to recall on our old house that we didn't get a choice and we were told all houses in the street were being done. Surely the priority should be to make it a mandatory country wide rollout where possible, otherwise people can (and obviously do) take the biscuit with pools/spas etc. This would surely largely eradicate the need for ideas like peak pricing models.
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Depends where you live and what you use the water for, of some conditions are met they can force you to have a meter.
Some areas just don't have an issue with water supply so it makes no sense to force people to have one.
 
This has got nothing to do with demand but some fake way for these badly ran water companies to fleece the customer for more money whilst the share holders continue to skim off the top.

If it was actually an issue the water would run out then I could in theory understand it.

This is quite frankly a joke.
 
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