An old Nissan Micra wasn't ULEZ but a Porsche 996 Turbo is
A 996 Turbo is only Euro 3 compliant so doesn't meet ULEZ requirements, and there can't be many pre '05 Nissan Micras left on the road.
Car tax robbery by government
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A 996 Turbo is only Euro 3 compliant so doesn't meet ULEZ requirements, and there can't be many pre '05 Nissan Micras left on the road.
The one that baffles me a bit is that my petrol SEAT Leon was £20 a year for the entire time I had it, whereas my new R5 EV will be £195 from next year. I realise it's not emissions-related now but given they're trying to encourage EV adoption again through incentives, perhaps whacking an expensive tax on them isn't the best idea.
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Wonder if bikes will be the same, ie euro 5 will be a lot cheaper than <20 year old bikes etc
Quite - if nothing else they need to seriously rethink the "luxury" car premium and the fact it's now applied to EVs
That sort of nonsense is why there is so much more demand for sub 10k used cars now.
More people want old cars, not new cars, which makes the eco policies a bit redundant. The average age just gets older and older until we end up like Cuba. Everyone doing bangermonics forever
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If that were the case 10 year old cars would hold a higher value than newer equivalent cars that attract a higher tax rate, that clearly isn’t the case.
Older cars are worth more than they historically would be because we went through this thing called COVID and new car production fell off a cliff for a few years. People still need cars so older cars are worth more because of a lack of supply of new cars during that period of time which will never be supplied to the market. It will take another 10-12 years before the Covid impact is fully worked through the market.
Standard rate VED is such a small component of running a car, it’s basically irrelevant. It only really becomes material is the supplement applies.
Older cars are worth more than they historically would be because we went through this thing called COVID and new car production fell off a cliff for a few years. People still need cars so older cars are worth more because of a lack of supply of new cars during that period of time which will never be supplied to the market. It will take another 10-12 years before the Covid impact is fully worked through the market.
Standard rate VED is such a small component of running a car, it’s basically irrelevant. It only really becomes material is the supplement applies.
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But your worried about a £200 VED charge on a car that will loose 20X that (or more) in a year in depreciation. It’s really not at all material.
You could say the same about almost any individual cost of running a car.
Fuel is such a small cost that it's basically irrelevant.
Tyres are such a small cost that it's basically irrelevant.
Servicing is such a small cost that it's basically irrelevant.
Insurance (for some people) is such a small cost that it's basically irrelevant.
All of those small "irrelevant" costs add up to a very relevant big cost however.
What's that saying? "Look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves"
EVs are dropping 60% in the first few years. A lot of people don't want to **** money away like that when they don't have to. Some old cars are clawing value back, even ones which were very cheap when new are being sold at half their value after 10+ years. Especially the ones with £20-35 tax and high mpg.
I've run 2 older cars for 5 years for less than what I'd lose in a single year on a new car.
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Shock horror in breaking news, old cars have a lower total cost of ownership than new cars.
Wow, I’d have never have thought that for a moment. I’m utterly flabbergasted.
Or not because that’s been the case for as long as any of us have been alive.
Wow, I’d have never have thought that for a moment. I’m utterly flabbergasted.
Or not because that’s been the case for as long as any of us have been alive.
Welcome to wonders of VED tax ! 
EV drivers have zero emissions, yet pay £195 VED a year, and people running older dirty diesels are paying just £20 a year
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The EV VED tax was back dated to include for all EV's, yet this doesn't happen for previously registered petrol & diesel cars, they continue paying what they always have !
As an EV driver I'm completely happy contributing to the wider good of the system, but make it consistent. Older dirty diesels should be priced off the road, but that doesn't happen because the people with them are 'too poor' to replace them. My view - tough, walk or ride a bike then !
It's either about improving the environment or it isn't.
EV drivers have zero emissions, yet pay £195 VED a year, and people running older dirty diesels are paying just £20 a year
.The EV VED tax was back dated to include for all EV's, yet this doesn't happen for previously registered petrol & diesel cars, they continue paying what they always have !
As an EV driver I'm completely happy contributing to the wider good of the system, but make it consistent. Older dirty diesels should be priced off the road, but that doesn't happen because the people with them are 'too poor' to replace them. My view - tough, walk or ride a bike then !
It's either about improving the environment or it isn't.
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Agreed, there's nothing "luxury" about a lot of the cars with a £40k list price anymoreYou're complaining about £200, I'm paying £640.They should raise the 40k bs limit to 80k, seeing how expensive modern cars have become...
It goes to the government, who spend close on £1Tn a year on defence, health etc.
Maybe a relevant question would be to ask why we’re spending £120Bn per year on interest on our national debt.
One idea that springs to mind is the loss of revenue by rich people offshoring their wealth to avoid paying taxes. Last estimate I saw was that it costs over £40Bn/year.
Want an example, lookup Richard Tice of the Reform party, who’s business is owned by a shell company in a tax haven and who’s girlfriend has moved to Dubai
Yeah, for example mid-trim level Nissans aren't far off 40K list price these days... one of the reasons IMO they are in trouble as people don't consider them "luxury" cars.
One of the things which isn't helping - no one wants to spend the money to do a proper job any more, so roads end up patched up with work which won't last 2 years and probably costs more than twice as much to the tax payer in the long run compared to doing a proper job in the first place.
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Oh yea I know all about it. It's disgraceful.
The scary thing is it isn't even the really big boys that are doing it, people are getting savvy and even your middle of the road wealthy people are starting to do it.
Believe how many portfolio landlords I see with hundreds of properties "struggling" by on £7k p/a income lol.
So anyone with a brain would have realised this has been going on since the cons changed the rules.
I think it was around 2017?
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I'm not making an assessment on everybody, just the OP. They act as if it would be fairer to jack their daughter's up to £200, and I don't get that.
If anything, to my mind, it's fairer that hers stays at £30 than for them to be paying the same.
Sure, someone could argue that it would be nice if OP was paying £30 as well, but that's just fantasy land.
It happens with crypto as well now. Normally you'd have to pay loads of capitol gains tax when you convert it back and withdraw it. So the ones who made lots go and live abroad for 6 months (minimum you need to) and cash it out somewhere they won't have to pay taxes on it. Then bring it back to the UK when they move back.
The loopholes exist on purpose, so the ones who have the means (the ones running the place) can use it themselves. They will close the ones us plebs use, but not the big holes you need large sums to use.
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