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He can stay and we can fine him over and over for not sticking to his contractual obligations.

He’ll lose sharpness over the year and yes, we won’t get as much for him but damn he’d be less desirable
It doesn't work like that and you know it once a player goes on strike its done. The same thing happened with Gordon and you lot, you wouldn't pay the 60mill price everton wanted, he went on strike and then moved for 46. Trying to act like Billy Big ****** when you are a stepping stone club is a fools game, you just wont get players wanting to go to you.
 
It doesn't work like that and you know it once a player goes on strike its done. The same thing happened with Gordon and you lot, you wouldn't pay the 60mill price everton wanted, he went on strike and then moved for 46. Trying to act like Billy Big ****** when you are a stepping stone club is a fools game, you just wont get players wanting to go to you.
They already don't - so what do we have to lose at this point?

We're not going to back down as it'll set the tone that if a player throws the toys out they get to go for less than their value.
 
We're not going to back down as it'll set the tone that if a player throws the toys out they get to go for less than their value.

hmmmm... what value is that? 150mil? that's a made up valuation put on him to put off potential suiters... he's certainly not a 150mil striker... given his numbers...
 
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It doesn't work like that and you know it once a player goes on strike its done. The same thing happened with Gordon and you lot, you wouldn't pay the 60mill price everton wanted, he went on strike and then moved for 46. Trying to act like Billy Big ****** when you are a stepping stone club is a fools game, you just wont get players wanting to go to you.

His contract expires in 2028. The power is with Newcastle, no player is bigger than the club and Newcastle don't need the money per se.

I don't know the full situation with that contract promise with Amanda Staveley, that's obvs a rubbish situation for the player and understandable he feels hurt by it but at the end of the day he can just see out his contract and it's not like he's turning 30. Or if he does sign a new contract, he can stick a release clause in it.
 
He can stay and we can fine him over and over for not sticking to his contractual obligations.

He’ll lose sharpness over the year and yes, we won’t get as much for him but damn he’d be less desirable

And you'd rather see Newcastle do that then take a record fee and take the negligible risk that literally no forwards can be signed?
 
dunno whose got the worst end of the deal here, Everton having to pay grealish's wages beer money or grealish having to play for everton :cry:

I think its a good move for both of them.

Grealish presumably gets to play a key role week in week out away from a manager that doesnt want him to play like Grealish can and Everton get a player capable of real quality on his day.

Hopefully he can find his form again.
 
no player is bigger than the club and Newcastle don't need the money per se.

This seems have been said over and over, but it's a red herring isn't it?

Newcastle can't be at once hamstrung by PSR in terms of fees and wages and also willing to chuck the best part of £100m down the drain.
 
I think its a good move for both of them.

Grealish presumably gets to play a key role week in week out away from a manager that doesnt want him to play like Grealish can and Everton get a player capable of real quality on his day.

Hopefully he can find his form again.
I always felt he was massively overhyped personally, same as 99% of English players.
 
100% Grealish overrated.. he has very few moments of brilliance.. but not enough to justify the price tag.. or the England call up..

most of the time, he slows play down, and comes inside.. to pass backwards/sideways..
 
We're not going to back down as it'll set the tone that if a player throws the toys out they get to go for less than their value.

You think Newcastle set that tone in isolation?

I'm afraid players do this all the time and they invariably end up moving and mostly for less than the selling club would have wanted or would have got if they hadn't entered into acrimony with the player.
 
I always felt he was massively overhyped personally, same as 99% of English players.
His talent at Villa was getting fouled. He will always be a legend at Villa as he was a local lad, stuck with them when they went down and then someone over paid for him and funded the push to champions league
 
And you'd rather see Newcastle do that then take a record fee and take the negligible risk that literally no forwards can be signed?

Yes - We've already been knocked back on multiple strikers.

We currently have Osula - who's nowhere near the first team. Once we get the "record fee" , then for any player we are currently interested in , the price goes up in terms of both fee and wages. It makes the procurement so much harder at that point, and a sulky Isak is frankly better than some of the names people think we should just go for for the sake of things. It's alleged that he says right now that he'll never play again, but once the window closes who's to say that'll still be the case?

Had Liverpool stumped up at the end of June / Beginning of July however, I feel a deal would have been made without replacements in place. However it's too late now. Liverpool are just as much to blame for allowing this narrative of "we'll definitely come in at the right price" - like it's all we've heard for days on end , a Liverpool bid is definitely coming. It feels like a tactic has been put in place to let bad feelings fester so Newcastle would rather sell a rotten apple on the cheap than hold firm for actual value. In this instance I think we should stand firm, even if it means less money next year. Otherwise what stops any other blue chip player we have from using the same playbook - which would certainly cement us in the stepping stone mould of which we're trying to break.

This seems have been said over and over, but it's a red herring isn't it?

Newcastle can't be at once hamstrung by PSR in terms of fees and wages and also willing to chuck the best part of £100m down the drain.

In terms of being hamstrung to wages - it's all about wages to turnover. So unless we sell over 100M every year (which isn't a way to grow), it's not a reliable form of income. Right now our current squad costs are well within our means (our largest salary is 160k pw). Our challenge this summer has been to get players of a higher standard than the current squad (to create meaningful competition for places), but without breaking the structure too much. Which is why for a number of the players who've rejected us - wages have certainly played a part in the dissuasion, as well as the prestige of the purchasing teams (which is why we backed out of Ekitike after personal terms were initially not going to be a problem).

You think Newcastle set that tone in isolation?

I'm afraid players do this all the time and they invariably end up moving and mostly for less than the selling club would have wanted or would have got if they hadn't entered into acrimony with the player.

You ultimately let Trent go for nothing. At least he was professional enough to keep playing.
 
In terms of being hamstrung to wages - it's all about wages to turnover. So unless we sell over 100M every year (which isn't a way to grow),

It's exactly what Newcastle should be trying to do. Maybe not £100m but unless you can significantly increase other revenue how else do you grow the wage bill?
 
It doesn't work like that and you know it once a player goes on strike its done. The same thing happened with Gordon and you lot, you wouldn't pay the 60mill price everton wanted, he went on strike and then moved for 46. Trying to act like Billy Big ****** when you are a stepping stone club is a fools game, you just wont get players wanting to go to you.
Load of *****, yohan cabaye went on strike to get a move to arsenal, vowing never to pay for the club again, we then had the best 6 months of his career and he got a move to a very rich PSG. So talk of once a player goes on strike it’s over for the club is a load of *****
 
build a new training facility, and sell the naming rights to it.. build a separate youth facility and sell the naming rights to it.. i'm surprised that given building those facilities is outside of PSR that it's not already been done, and done so as to make it the best in the country...
 
build a new training facility, and sell the naming rights to it.. build a separate youth facility and sell the naming rights to it.. i'm surprised that given building those facilities is outside of PSR that it's not already been done, and done so as to make it the best in the country...

That's not being done though is it?

So the only option is to flip players for profit. How do you think Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton with their tiny stadiums and comparatively tiny revenue streams pay the wages they do?

Most clubs do this, why is Newcastle any different?
 
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Load of *****, yohan cabaye went on strike to get a move to arsenal, vowing never to pay for the club again, we then had the best 6 months of his career and he got a move to a very rich PSG. So talk of once a player goes on strike it’s over for the club is a load of *****

And 18 months later you got relegated...
 
Load of *****, yohan cabaye went on strike to get a move to arsenal, vowing never to pay for the club again, we then had the best 6 months of his career and he got a move to a very rich PSG. So talk of once a player goes on strike it’s over for the club is a load of *****
"Yohan Cabaye has explained the finer details surrounding his unsuccessful transfer to Arsenal in 2013, revealing he went on strike due to failed promises made by Newcastle United."

Seems to be a running theme with you lot, no wonder no one wants to sign for you
 
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