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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Firegod said:
Please stop. The steam data is a voluntary random subset of users. Steam data is unreliable, not exhaustive and therefore cannot be used as a supportive argument. Take the 5090, a GPU that only a very small percentage manage to own, which took about 6 months after launch before stock became more readably available is somehow on the survey yet not a single 9000 series GPU is listed? Really. Come off it. We've got evidence all over the internet that RDNA4 was a massive success vs the 50 series.

ExtremeTech​

  • Survey Source: ComputerBase (4,200 respondents)
  • Findings: ~60% bought RX 9000 cards; only ~25% bought RTX 50 cards
  • Insight: AMD’s launch was smoother and better stocked; Nvidia’s supply issues likely suppressed adoption

VideoCardz​

  • Claim: RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 outsold all RTX 50 cards combined
  • Visual Data: Chart from 3DCenter showed AMD dominance in early 2025

Overclock3D​

  • Survey Result: RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 made up 57.4% of purchases
  • Conclusion: AMD’s day-one stock advantage gave it a major edge

AMD RX 9000 Series​

  • Units Sold: Over 200,000 RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT shipped in the first wave
  • Retail Impact: Most stock sold out quickly; scalping and inflated prices followed
  • AMD Statement: Called demand “unprecedented” and confirmed aggressive restocking plans
  • CEO Lisa Su: Said demand “outpaced supply” and contributed to $1.1B gaming revenue

Contextual Takeaways​

  • AMD’s Advantage: Better launch stock, lower MSRP, and strong OEM adoption
  • Nvidia’s Challenge: Supply bottlenecks, inflated prices, and possible diversion to AI markets
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I’m just pointing out the total sales numbers rather than some random surveys that don’t even require a purchase to fill in and the numbers say in Q1 9.2m GPUs were sold and out of that AMD sold 750k vs Nvidia who sold 8.45m, with steam showing all Nvidia RTX 50 series while AMDs 90 series isn’t represented would seem to support that.
 
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Firegod said:
Please stop. The steam data is a voluntary random subset of users. Steam data is unreliable, not exhaustive and therefore cannot be used as a supportive argument. Take the 5090, a GPU that only a very small percentage manage to own, which took about 6 months after launch before stock became more readably available is somehow on the survey yet not a single 9000 series GPU is listed? Really. Come off it. We've got evidence all over the internet that RDNA4 was a massive success vs the 50 series.

ExtremeTech​

  • Survey Source: ComputerBase (4,200 respondents)
  • Findings: ~60% bought RX 9000 cards; only ~25% bought RTX 50 cards
  • Insight: AMD’s launch was smoother and better stocked; Nvidia’s supply issues likely suppressed adoption

VideoCardz​

  • Claim: RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 outsold all RTX 50 cards combined
  • Visual Data: Chart from 3DCenter showed AMD dominance in early 2025

Overclock3D​

  • Survey Result: RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 made up 57.4% of purchases
  • Conclusion: AMD’s day-one stock advantage gave it a major edge

AMD RX 9000 Series​

  • Units Sold: Over 200,000 RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT shipped in the first wave
  • Retail Impact: Most stock sold out quickly; scalping and inflated prices followed
  • AMD Statement: Called demand “unprecedented” and confirmed aggressive restocking plans
  • CEO Lisa Su: Said demand “outpaced supply” and contributed to $1.1B gaming revenue

Contextual Takeaways​

  • AMD’s Advantage: Better launch stock, lower MSRP, and strong OEM adoption
  • Nvidia’s Challenge: Supply bottlenecks, inflated prices, and possible diversion to AI markets
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Sorry just want to point out a few things.

The Computer Base survey: Did you actually read it? First, it's only 4200 replies. But when you actually dig deeper, It's only really a survey of 720 people as they were the only ones that actually bought GPUs. It's not enough data to make any sort of assumption on who sold the most GPUs. You didn't even have to prove you actually bought a card to do the survey.

ExtremeTech, VideoCardz and Overclock3D are all linking back to that same survey. So it's not evidence all over Internet. It's just the same clickbait survey posted on several different sites.

Now let's take your info from AMD. That 200,000 figure was posted all over the internet too. However, a week later, the source of that figure, benchlife.info, pulled the article and AMD contacted Tech Websites, like Tom's Hardware, to say that no sales figures were ever released.

Look at AMD's Financials. This quarter they made 2499 million in the client section, only 1000 million more than the same quarter last year. The client section in AMD's financials also includes CPU's, APU's and Chipsets. We know that their CPUs are outselling Intel, so their CPU sales are strong at the moment. And we also know they wouldn't just be earning revenue from the 9070XT's and 9070's, they would also be earning from the sales of older GPUs as well. So can you explain where is all the revenue from the huge numbers 9070/xt cards they are selling?

And I do find it funny that you completely dismiss the Steam Survey as unreliable, and not exhaustive but then use a tiny survey with 720 replies, as absolute proof that AMD are outselling Nvidia.

Just one more thing, AMD's 9070 cards are a huge success. They have put AMD back on the map as a great GPU company and hopefully this is their Ryzen moment with GPUs . But, you are completely underestimating the market dominance that Nvidia has. Sure, the 5 series cards aren't doing great. But not doing great when you have 90% of the market is a lot different than not doing great when you only have 10%.
 
I think the late launch, poor stock levels for weeks after the initial batch was depleted and failure to hit MSRP aside from a few day one rebates killed the launch for AMD.

The AMD 90 series GPUs are certainly not bad products but sadly lack the wow factor in price to performance that is needed to make a real dent in Nvidia’s marketshare.
 
Steam survey data is very random I have been asked three times in 22 years and two of them are in the last couple

it also tends to pick a random location say a province in Korea and ask most of the users when it does one and is really not a true representation of anything
 
yeah ive only ever been asked to do the survey once
and comically it was when i was using a 3060 for a short period of time so was the least representative moment as far as getting an idea of what gpu id usually have been using over that time lol was pretty funny id just put the thing in temporarily waiting to get the 9070xt
never got asked in the 4+ years of using hte quadro i had before nor the several months of the 9070xt i just found the timing really really funny
 
I got asked to do the Steam survey twice in one day (or maybe it was 2 days, whatever really close together).
First when I was using my Ryzen 5500 + RTX 4060 Ti and then the second one when I was using my Ryzen 7700 + RX 7900 XT. It also seemed to name the 7900 XT correctly in the graphics card section, I was wondering if it might just have identified it as AMD Radeon Graphics or some generic thing, but it got the model correct.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I got asked to do the Steam survey twice in one day (or maybe it was 2 days, whatever really close together).
First when I was using my Ryzen 5500 + RTX 4060 Ti and then the second one when I was using my Ryzen 7700 + RX 7900 XT. It also seemed to name the 7900 XT correctly in the graphics card section, I was wondering if it might just have identified it as AMD Radeon Graphics or some generic thing, but it got the model correct.
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That’s a good point. The last steam survey I did my 9700XT was not even recognised.
 
Game said:
Steam survey data is very random I have been asked three times in 22 years and two of them are in the last couple

it also tends to pick a random location say a province in Korea and ask most of the users when it does one and is really not a true representation of anything
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Same here, since 2004 I've seen it appear maybe 4 or 5 times, yet people act like its the be all end all that shall not be questioned when it comes to who's using what type of hardware. Utter bs.
 
Troezar said:
Probably also explains who was paying top dollar for second hand high end GPUs.
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I can confirm 'who' it was paying top dollar for my second hand high end GPU as my 4090 went to a Chinese buyer. I have absolutely no issue selling to the highest bidder so all power to them as far as I'm concerned.
 
Firegod said:
Please stop. The steam data is a voluntary random subset of users. Steam data is unreliable, not exhaustive and therefore cannot be used as a supportive argument. Take the 5090, a GPU that only a very small percentage manage to own, which took about 6 months after launch before stock became more readably available is somehow on the survey yet not a single 9000 series GPU is listed? Really. Come off it. We've got evidence all over the internet that RDNA4 was a massive success vs the 50 series.
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Please stop. The steam data is not just a voluntary random subset of users but it for everybody who registered Steam account since the day when account was created. I joined Steam back in 2003, I filled hardware survey once every year since 2003, all my friends did the same every year and also my niece did the same every year since she joined Steam back in 2014. Steam data is reliable, if Valve think hardware survey was unreliable then they would had it discontinued it 20 years AGO!!!

I am surprised you failed to noticed RX 9000 series first appeared on list since June 2025.

Let see hardware survey July 2025 how RTX 50 and RX 9000 series shares compared since both first appeared on list back in June 2025.

RTX 50 series

RTX 5070 2.52%
RTX 5080 1.24%
RTX 5070 Ti 1.20%
RTX 5060 1.14%
RTX 5060 Ti 1.12%
RTX 5060 Laptop 0.80%
RTX 5090 0.42%
RTX 5070 Ti Laptop 0.26%
RTX 5090 D 0.04%
RTX 5090 Laptop 0.04%
RTX 5080 Laptop 0.04%

Total share 8.82%

RX 9000 series

RX 9070 0.18%
RX 9070 GRE 0.02%

Total share 0.20%

RTX 50 is massively success outsold RX 9000 series.
 
I used to get the steam survey loads initially, but not had one in ages. Think the last time I was still using a GTX570, so it missed my RX580 and my 3060Ti.
 
Joxeon said:
Not just steam though is it but the steam results do line up with JPRs numbers.
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Steam data is updated monthly but is collected over a 17 month aggregate/window.

However looking at Feb 2025 to June 2025 from WBM(using the last data point of each month), July is todays data direct from Steam:

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PRE RDNA 4
February 2025 Nv 83.7% AMD 11.49%


RDNA 4 launched 4th March:

March 2025 Nv 75.05% AMD 16.87%


April 2025 Nv 74.39% AMD 17.51%


May 2025 Nv 74.18% AMD 17.62%


June 2025 Nv 74.07% AMD 17.68%


July 2025 Nv 73.94% AMD 17.83%

 
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Gerard said:
Personally, I really couldn't give a monkeys one way or the other, I'm not invested in either company so makes little odds to me.
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I’m looking at it from a consumers perspective as the last thing we needed was Nvidia gaining even more market share when prices are already out of control.
 
Joxeon said:
I’m just pointing out the total sales numbers rather than some random surveys that don’t even require a purchase to fill in and the numbers say in Q1 9.2m GPUs were sold and out of that AMD sold 750k vs Nvidia who sold 8.45m, with steam showing all Nvidia RTX 50 series while AMDs 90 series isn’t represented would seem to support that.
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The biggest problem with the financial firm's results you are quoting is that it includes GPUs in laptops, and AMD has a small market and it includes AI/data centre, which AMD is small in as well. It's unreliable for comparing against steam simply because while Nvidia looks strong, we know 90% of its GPus sold are not desktop
 
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