1% Low FPS Drops with 5090/9800X3D

RealStokesy said:
I could maybe look at possibly a 5050 or a 5060 depending on the price. I’m a university student so money can be pretty tight especially as im moving back next month
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If you're planning on buying a 9060 XT anyway, then I'd just go with that. Makes the most sense.

Is it a perfect test? No. But, it would still be helpful.
 
RealStokesy said:
I’ll have a look around and see what deals I can find for either the 9060 XT or a 5050/5060
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You might want to have a think about what you'd do if the test works too. Since, if you might actually use the card and RMA the other, would you be prepared to buy something a little better than a 5050?

If the answer is no and you just want a card capable of some gaming for lounge use, maybe a used 6600 or 3060 12GB is a better option?
 
Whichever card I use if the test works and I need to get my 5090 RMA’d through Aorus I’d temporarily use in my main system and then transfer it into a system for couch gaming. If I could find a 6600 or a 3060 12GB for a good price I’d definitely look at one
 
RealStokesy said:
If I could find a 6600 or a 3060 12GB for a good price I’d definitely look at one
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Under £150 is definitely doable. I'm not much of a used buyer, so couldn't tell you how much lower. Wouldn't pay much (if any) more than that though, since you might as well buy a new card for over £200.
 
RealStokesy said:
If I were to get one and the issues persisted then would you recommend I go ahead and get my motherboard RMA’d through Overclockers?
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Stuttering is notoriously hard to diagnose, it can be anything from hardware, drivers, an extension lead, a riser cable, RGB software, a dodgy mouse, who knows...

RMA of anything is just rolling the dice, that's how I see it. Unless you can confirm by other means, that there's very likely to be a problem (e.g. if you can see through software monitoring that a graphics card is repeatedly throttling with no explanation).

I've seen threads where somebody sent their whole system for RMA (one part at a time) and STILL had stuttering.
 
RealStokesy said:
I’ve got HWinfo and Memtest86
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hwinfo is the most useful, 'cos it shows you almost everything, you can run it alongside your games and you can see the min/avg/max values. You can check the power limits on the CPU and the graphics card and look at the other sensors to make sure it is behaving as expected.

The 3D Mark test I mentioned awhile ago is also helpful, since it shows you the clocks over time in a graph.

I believe GPU-Z is able to show you the current bus speed, which can help to diagnose PCI-E issues, like if your board is stuck at 1 or 4 lane instead of 16 lane. Though, cards are capable of downclocking, so you need some load to check that.

Event viewer has a lot of useless stuff, but also occasionally shows something helpful if you can check the timestamps when stuttering occurs.

Task manager is a simple tool, but it can at least show you if some of your parts are sticking at 100% load for no obvious reason. E.g. with SSD problems.

Note that RGB, motherboard and monitoring software (even mouse software) can actually cause stuttering, so I'd be wary of using too many of these things at once.

I assume you've already tried setting the PCI-E gen down to 3 or 4 in the BIOS, but if you haven't, I'd try that because it was a common issue when these cards launched.

You had afterburner or something like that running when you see the lows drop, right? I assume there wasn't anything obvious, like high memory or CPU usage at those times?

I'd say that testing the memory for faults is unlikely to be helpful here, because faulty memory usually gives you BSODs rather than just stutters. SSDs with problems can cause freezes, stutters and hangs, so worth checking the smart data with something like CrystalDiskInfo. Bad SSDs causing stutters is likely to show up in the event viewer too.

You tried with EXPO/XMP off already right?

Did you try a different monitor at any point?
 
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Tetras said:
hwinfo is the most useful, 'cos it shows you almost everything, you can run it alongside your games and you can see the min/avg/max values. You can check the power limits on the CPU and the graphics card and look at the other sensors to make sure it is behaving as expected.

The 3D Mark test I mentioned awhile ago is also helpful, since it shows you the clocks over time in a graph.

I believe GPU-Z is able to show you the current bus speed, which can help to diagnose PCI-E issues, like if your board is stuck at 1 or 4 lane instead of 16 lane. Though, cards are capable of downclocking, so you need some load to check that.

Event viewer has a lot of useless stuff, but also occasionally shows something helpful if you can check the timestamps when stuttering occurs.

Task manager is a simple tool, but it can at least show you if some of your parts are sticking at 100% load for no obvious reason. E.g. with SSD problems.

Note that RGB, motherboard and monitoring software (even mouse software) can actually cause stuttering, so I'd be wary of using too many of these things at once.

I assume you've already tried setting the PCI-E gen down to 3 or 4 in the BIOS, but if you haven't, I'd try that because it was a common issue when these cards launched.

You had afterburner or something like that running when you see the lows drop, right? I assume there wasn't anything obvious, like high memory or CPU usage at those times?

I'd say that testing the memory for faults is unlikely to be helpful here, because faulty memory usually gives you BSODs rather than just stutters. SSDs with problems can cause freezes, stutters and hangs, so worth checking the smart data with something like CrystalDiskInfo. Bad SSDs causing stutters is likely to show up in the event viewer too.

You tried with EXPO/XMP off already right?

Did you try a different monitor at any point?
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Hello,

I've got out and brought a new motherboard and power supply unit from OCUK after being told that it might be an issue with those components. Even after installing them as well as a new cooler I'm still getting the 1% low stuttering issues and even after taking it to a pc repair shop locally and getting the new AIO installed even they are stumped as to what it could be.

They've recommended that I spend the weekend using it and if the issues persist to then go back to OCUK and get the board and psu refunded and send my replacement chip off to AMD for RMA and look to essentially get a prebuilt config either through them or another online store and just use my 5090 in it.

At this point I'm just lost on what to do now
 
RealStokesy said:
At this point I'm just lost on what to do now
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I'm sorry to hear it hasn't worked out, but I'm afraid I'm going to quote myself:
Tetras said:
Stuttering is notoriously hard to diagnose, it can be anything from hardware, drivers, an extension lead, a riser cable, RGB software, a dodgy mouse, who knows...

RMA of anything is just rolling the dice, that's how I see it. Unless you can confirm by other means, that there's very likely to be a problem (e.g. if you can see through software monitoring that a graphics card is repeatedly throttling with no explanation).

I've seen threads where somebody sent their whole system for RMA (one part at a time) and STILL had stuttering.
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There's really nothing you can do, except eliminate everything step by step.

I'd start with the stuff I mentioned in post #29.

If you want to be extra thorough, include screenshots for us to look at where appropriate.

If none of those steps help, you can go from there.
 
RealStokesy said:
What exactly should I be looking out for on Event Viewer and where would I need to be looking on it to determine where the issues are?
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Custom views > administrative events or Windows logs > system. Creating a filter for WHEA events is also a good idea.

Look at any timestamps for when you're gaming and having stuttering. It is hard to say what to look for, because I don't know what could be significant until you find it.

The event viewer is not helpful in all cases, so if you can't find anything interesting then that's fine.

GPU-Z: card is reporting as x8 at 5.0, but I'm not sure if that's normal. Does it go up if you place load on the card? Can you confirm if you tried setting the PCIE bus to gen 3 or 4 in the BIOS yet?
 
Are you using MSI Afterburner or anything that monitors system/GPU power.
Its a bit of a random issue, but POWER monitoring specifically has been a cause of stuttering in some platforms for quite some time (with reports going back to the middle of last decade, was mentioned in some Nvidia driver update reports too at the time).
Maybe try uninstalling ALL your monitoring software that is running in the background, just have MSI Afterburner, but explicitly got into the settings and turn off power monitoring on the monitoring tab of the settings and reboot; incase you're system is just being polled either too aggressively, or to a part that is not taking it well.


As above, you're kinda trying to work through and eliminate things as you can now; given the CPU has been replaced.

Edit: Also worth checking DPC Latency Monitor - it might point you at something that is spiking.
 
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