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Becoming tempted to get a small EV run around for nursery and station run. Anyone tried one of the new Mini Cooper EVs?

You'll want @CaptainRAVE he has not one but two! We test drove one, but if you are just getting a small run around then you want to opt for the bargain 21/71-plate older mini's a Level 2 pack under £10k.
 
Becoming tempted to get a small EV run around for nursery and station run. Anyone tried one of the new Mini Cooper EVs?

You'll want @CaptainRAVE he has not one but two! We test drove one, but if you are just getting a small run around then you want to opt for the bargain 21/71-plate older mini's a Level 2 pack under £10k.

Oh yes, feel free to ask! Have quite a bit of experience with Mini EVs now!

Thread here - https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/who-here-owns-a-mini.18451209/

I get so many comments and jokes about owning two (identical). The bin collector walked passed and he did so many double takes. My wife didn’t want me to buy a more flashy car to not draw attention to the house, but this is worse.

From earlier in the year:

Don’t think I’d ever go back to ICE now.
 
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TESLA model Y on 20" induction alloys 2023....how does it drive? Suspension even worse than on 19"?

Going to drive the 2023 model Y on 19" later tonight....hopefully it aint a deal breaker
There was minor suspension improvements to model Y after may 2023 from what I read (I have a 2023).the 20" alloys will feel firmer on suspension than 19"

Ive got one so let me know if any Qs (mine has the 19s)
 
so that article says government don't disclose why puma got the full grant , hypothesizing on some UK manufacturing -
use of European CATL batteries is another explanation;
if they are exporting puma to europe for most of it's sales, then can only expect eu to reciprocate with their grants, if they didn't already.
[unfortunately, no vehicle to home on puma]
 
Yeah Ford are going to do extremely well off the back of that news.

£26k starting price from a recognised brand with a dealer network in a model that is already popular in ICE form. This will be a far more comfortable proposition for people to buy into their first EV than a Chinese brand with minimal presence in the UK.

Only issue they may have is the number of Ford dealers that are also BYD as the new Atto could be considered a direct competitor, especially when it is parked up next to a Puma at the same dealer!

Edit - @jpaul I thought it was pretty clear that the decision was due to the power train (or elements of) being made in the UK.
 
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The main zinger with the Puma is its poor range which I expect will put people off it, especially if there is a comprised Atto next door.
 
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Still cheaper to lease a Puma Gen-E on PCH than buy it on bad terms though, so not sure how the grant helps again just allowing the dealer to make more money not the buyer save any.

£135 per month with £1,600 upfront (~£200pm amortised) for 24 months 5k miles PA, £24 more to go for 10k pa. That's £4.7k for 2 full years ownership/rental btw. hard to get a deal like that from a dealer forecourt.
 
Motors for e-puma are made in Halewood next to the LR Evoque plant. The smaller battery no doubt helps carbon impact for the metric too. It’s a more sustainable car.
 
Has any one had a Hypervolt charger supplied and installed through Wickes (ProEV do the install)? I was going to go through Octopus but they don't offer the 7.5m tethered Home Pro 3 charger, only the 5 and 10m options. I get a 10% discount at Wickes with my trade card so just looking for anyone's experience of going through them.
 
It will be sub contracted out to a relatively local electrician who needs to do the job relatively cheaply and quickly to make any money.

Most National ‘installers’ subcontract and mainly act as lead generators for local electricians so your experience will vary depending on who actually picks up the job.

The chances are it will be fine.

That said, that will not be any different to Ocotpus other than it may be one of their employed people who does it.
 
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The main zinger with the Puma is its poor range which I expect will put people off it, especially if there is a comprised Atto next door.
Is not a 200+ real world range comparable with other cars in that class such as the Renaults? Plus a boot size of far larger vehicles..
 
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Its usable battery capacity is only 43kwh so there is no chance of 200 real world miles from that unless you drive inappropriately slowly.

It’s based on an ICE car so doesn’t benefit from the increased interior space like say an ID.3.
 
Still cheaper to lease a Puma Gen-E on PCH than buy it on bad terms though, so not sure how the grant helps again just allowing the dealer to make more money not the buyer save any.

£135 per month with £1,600 upfront (~£200pm amortised) for 24 months 5k miles PA, £24 more to go for 10k pa. That's £4.7k for 2 full years ownership/rental btw. hard to get a deal like that from a dealer forecourt.
That is very cheap motoring tbf, and usually RFL included in the price as well
 
Its usable battery capacity is only 43kwh so there is no chance of 200 real world miles from that unless you drive inappropriately slowly.

It’s based on an ICE car so doesn’t benefit from the increased interior space like say an ID.3.

It will give about 200 summer and 150 winter for a combined style of driving. So not terrible as a commute car. Not much worse than the entry level MG4 51kWh and a similar price.

I think it will sell well considering the deals available.

That net vs gross capacity is quite high. 53 gross and only 43.6 net is over 20% buffer. At least according to EVDB.
 
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It will give about 200 summer and 150 winter for a combined style of driving. So not terrible as a commute car. Not much worse than the entry level MG4 51kWh and a similar price.

I think it will sell well considering the deals available.

That net vs gross capacity is quite high. 53 gross and only 43.6 net is over 20% buffer. At least according to EVDB.

Yeah did enquire this morning but seems they don't have any stock colours left so looking at factory order.

Battery is on the tad smaller size but will do for most folks
 
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It will give about 200 summer and 150 winter for a combined style of driving. So not terrible as a commute car. Not much worse than the entry level MG4 51kWh and a similar price.

I think it will sell well considering the deals available.

That net vs gross capacity is quite high. 53 gross and only 43.6 net is over 20% buffer. At least according to EVDB.
I don’t disagree but 200 combined is only really 150-160 miles on a dual carriageway/motorway in summer.

No one’s doing a 100 mile commute with a combined driving cycle. It’s either short and slow where the range doesn’t matter or it’s down the motorway at 65-70 which is where the small battery comes a cropper.

While the daily commute might only be 10 miles, having a car that can only realistically go 70 in one direction without recharging it is not ideal.

The flip side is that if you are ‘giving them away’ on lease for peanuts then sure, it will sell but that’s not exactly sustainable.

They might decent buy on the used market in a few years though, it’s just a lot to pay to own one from new.
 
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I don’t disagree but 200 combined is only really 150-160 miles on a dual carriageway/motorway in summer.

No one’s doing a 100 mile commute with a combined driving cycle. It’s either short and slow where the range doesn’t matter or it’s down the motorway at 65-70 which is where the small battery comes a cropper.

While the daily commute might only be 10 miles, having a car that can only realistically go 70 in one direction without recharging it is not ideal.

The flip side is that if you are ‘giving them away’ on lease for peanuts then sure, it will sell but that’s not exactly sustainable.

They might decent buy on the used market in a few years though, it’s just a lot to pay to own one from new.

The danger of this being that people will buy them without doing much research, and it will end up reinforcing a lot of people's misconceptions that EVs aren't suitable for long journeys or as the single vehicle in a household.
 
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