EV general discussion

Journey said:
It's silly money, loads of people will be spending almost 50% of that on fuel alone per month. When I got the Ioniq 38 at slightly less than that in 2019 that was a steal and with VED, and inflation this is even better.
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5000mi/yr as a city-commute car, it's definitely excellent value once all the other ancillary expenses are also taken into account.
pennies to run with an ev tariff when using a granny charger, don't even need a proper 7kw charger!
though it's a shame most will turn their nose up as it's an EV.
 
tamzzy said:
5000mi/yr as a city-commute car, it's definitely excellent value once all the other ancillary expenses are also taken into account.
pennies to run with an ev tariff when using a granny charger, don't even need a proper 7kw charger!
though it's a shame most will turn their nose up as it's an EV.
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£24 per month extra for 10k miles PA, or middle ground 8k available as well.

I think a lot more people are open to the idea of an EV once they test drive them. I also find it funny how many people have no idea of how many actual miles they cover a week/month/year. I have one guy saying an EV would be terrible for him as they would have to charge it too much, and he was convinced he did 15k per year, so had him check his MOT's he done 7k last year, and 8.2k the year before, so 20 miles per day on average, or a once a week charge.
 
ICDP said:
The vast majority of people don’t commute 100 miles, they do significantly less than that. My reply was very clearly referring to combined driving and stating a Puma-E is fine as a commute car, not a pure motorway miles cruiser.

Anyone buying a small battery car as a motorway cruiser, or for a single car family are either masochists or idiots.
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Yep horses for courses. Our second car is absolutely essential to us. It also never goes more than 60 miles in a single trip, usually way less than that.

We just can't justify swapping out our Polo otherwise something like the Puma electric would be perfect. Hopefully they will make a good second hand buy in a few years time.
 
BBC news at 6 had a little segment on the announcement of the new cars eligible for the grant with a bit of b-roll of people plugging in cars.

They must have been really scraping the barrel for b-roll that didn’t show any specific brands but what’s more amusing is all the cars they showed were discontinued:

Tesla model S - discontinued in 2020
Renault Zoe - discontinued last year
Nissan Leaf - discontinued last year
 
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I almost forgot, I saw a beautiful little handbags at dawn scrap over a free pod point charger in a retail park in Durham.

Two bays, one taken by a Mini the other a Kona just finishing up and ready to leave. Chap in an MG4 parks in the regular parking spot next to the Mini ready to pounce on the Konas socket the second they leave. With impeccable timing an Ioniq arrives and pulls straight into the bay.

MG man - na na nah mate. That's mine.
Ioniq guy - *shrugs* You weren't waiting
MG man - well... I'm already in the app *shows phone*
Ioniq guy - but I'm in the space *points at car*
MG man - well... That's fine, my cable will reach from here.
Ioniq man - *rushes off to get cable from the boot*
MG man - that's fine. I'm already in the app. I'll just cancel your charge.

It was absolutely hilarious and I'd put money on neither of them being desperate to top up on that 7kWh podpoint but it was a free vend one and who can turn down what would cost you 35p at home :rolleyes:

My biggest regret is that I couldn't have got my PHEV on there in the melee :p
 
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Journey said:
£24 per month extra for 10k miles PA, or middle ground 8k available as well.

I think a lot more people are open to the idea of an EV once they test drive them. I also find it funny how many people have no idea of how many actual miles they cover a week/month/year. I have one guy saying an EV would be terrible for him as they would have to charge it too much, and he was convinced he did 15k per year, so had him check his MOT's he done 7k last year, and 8.2k the year before, so 20 miles per day on average, or a once a week charge.
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i'm definitely an EV convert. done 300 miles already in my model 3 due a bank holiday trip
cost me 75kwh for the 300 miles aka £5.25...in my 440i that'll have cost me ~£60 :cry:
 
It reminds of a friend who used to freeload from the EV destination e-cars chargers when they were free here in N. Ireland. He was livid when someone else was freeloading on the free charger he wanted to freeload from.

Literally six 50kWh “rapid” chargers in the entire province until only a few short years ago. And most of those were out of service constantly. Here we are a few years after legislation change that meant no more free EV charging and the network is massively improved and EV adoption and the infrastructure is still improving. Not only that it was almost impossible to get a vacant charger because of all the freeloaders.
 
tamzzy said:
43kwh battery, with the assumption that ford will not recommend 100% charge for regular use...

90% charge @ 4.5mi/kwh summer, 3.5mi/kwh winter
= 175 miles summer, 136 miles winter

if using 80% charge @ 4mi/kwh summer and 3mi/kwh winter
= 138 miles summer, 103 miles winter (probably the worst case scenario)
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It'll be interesting to see what Ford recommend, as the battery is a 46kWh one with 43.6kWh usable so the exta headroom may mean 100% charging is less of an issue.

Reviews seemed fairly impressed by its efficiency too, though as usual they were in a nice warm country on smooth roads.
 
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It'll be interesting to see what Ford recommend, as the battery is a 46kWh one with 43.6kWh usable so the exta headroom may mean 100% charging is less of an issue.

Reviews seemed fairly impressed by its efficiency too, though as usual they were in a nice warm country on smooth roads.
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When I was considering the Puma gen e, reviews say the car has a 53kwh fitted but only 43kwh usable and they still recommend 80% charge, so around 35kwh daily for use.

From a few videos I watched, Ford were stating they have such a large buffer to help smooth and maintain a higher charge rate. There’s still some uncertainty on spec sites as to how big the battery actually is, Ford say 53kwh on their site, but from first hand experience their documentation hasn’t always been accurate.

There’s always a chance that their testing showed their battery setup etc. couldn’t hit 8 years for the warranty without them having to make the decision to increase the buffer.
 
tamzzy said:
i'm definitely an EV convert. done 300 miles already in my model 3 due a bank holiday trip
cost me 75kwh for the 300 miles aka £5.25...in my 440i that'll have cost me ~£60 :cry:
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I've done nearly 2k miles in mine now and I definitely wouldn't want to go back to ICE.

Ignoring the fact it's just a much nicer driving experience between mine and my wife's car we've charged 600kw since mine arrived for less than £40.

Just my fuel bill alone used to be £200+ a month.
 
That’s not using a B segment fiesta platform stretched to a cross over and then BEV! Will be stuff like roof crush, front crash and rear axle gross axle weight rating they have worked within.
 
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Here's a weird one for you. My BYD Seal has a battery capacity of 82.5kWh, LFP type battery.

At the weekend I plugged it in to the Hypervolt charger at about 16% charge remaining, so by my maths that should have had around 13.2kWh still in the battery.

Here's the two 7 hour charging slots as recorded by the Hypervolt:

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That adds up to 83kWh over the two days but why when it should have still have had 16% or 13kWh charge :confused:.

Is the charger that inefficient that it loses that much per charge, or is the car or Hypervolt telling me porkies?

I've read in the owners manual for the Seal that you have to recalibrate the battery once every three to six months by fully charging the battery from low (SOC <10%). Perhaps it's time for that.
 
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