Poll: Official 2025 Italian Grand Prix Race Thread - Autodromo Nazionale di Monza - Race 16/24
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I don't understand why so many people are complaining about this race. There was more overtaking and action than we've seen in most this season. There was a variety of tactics playing out throughout the race all through the field. Really the only dull bit was how large a lead Max was able to build.
Agreed, it was a very interesting race with many overtakes you don't normally get at Monza. I guess maybe those who are Oscar fans voted it down but really maybe some should take up watching a different sport.
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I voted a 5 as the sky fast forward button didn't get used until about lap 12, which is fairly unusual.. then some normal speed during the pit stops for the leaders, then a WTF when Piasti gave the place back, so had to re-wind to hear the conv with Lando, then understood.. then a fast forward to the end..
So two parts where I didn't fast forward it all, overall took about 30 mins to watch, so not a bad race then in my book
So two parts where I didn't fast forward it all, overall took about 30 mins to watch, so not a bad race then in my book
I missed the place give back. I had fallen asleep!I voted a 5 as the sky fast forward button didn't get used until about lap 12, which is fairly unusual.. then some normal speed during the pit stops for the leaders, then a WTF when Piasti gave the place back, so had to re-wind to hear the conv with Lando, then understood.. then a fast forward to the end..
So two parts where I didn't fast forward it all, overall took about 30 mins to watch, so not a bad race then in my book
Find that one a bit strange.
What if norris manages to get ahead of piastri in the WDC? And those points matter?
Would he give the place back if that happened in reverse?
Think it's set an unmanageable precedent
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Thing is, if it's a team pre agreement, that if the lead driver agrees that the second placed driver can take the first pit stop, which is unusual as the lead driver normally has first stop, then if an undertake occurs then the places are swapped..
Yes it might be important but so is integrity as a sportsman, if it was agreed, then you do it, not act like a petulant child, and refuse to give the place back..
Then afterwards you have another discussion about what happens in the future if pit stops go slightly wrong.. however that would mean the lead driver would not be as likely to give up the first pit stop, and thus harm the team..
I'm pleased that Piastri acted as he did, not for Norris per-se but for the sport itself, the antics in the name of winning at all costs have hurt this sport a lot..
Yes it might be important but so is integrity as a sportsman, if it was agreed, then you do it, not act like a petulant child, and refuse to give the place back..
Then afterwards you have another discussion about what happens in the future if pit stops go slightly wrong.. however that would mean the lead driver would not be as likely to give up the first pit stop, and thus harm the team..
I'm pleased that Piastri acted as he did, not for Norris per-se but for the sport itself, the antics in the name of winning at all costs have hurt this sport a lot..
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I suspect Piastri will play the team game right up until he doesn’t. If I had to put €5 on it, I would say the “Nah, I’m good thanks” point will come when Norris closes to within 25 points of him in the WDC.
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Dangerous game to play, with a team that seems more concerned about the team winning than the driver..
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McLaren have already won the Constructors on paper.
They have 617 points and second place Ferrari have 280.
If McLaren didn’t score another single point this season and Ferrari nailed the win and second place for all of the last 8 races, they’d finish the Constructors with 624 points.
Given the different in performance and reliability between the teams so far this year, the above scenario is rather unlikely.
They have 617 points and second place Ferrari have 280.
If McLaren didn’t score another single point this season and Ferrari nailed the win and second place for all of the last 8 races, they’d finish the Constructors with 624 points.
Given the different in performance and reliability between the teams so far this year, the above scenario is rather unlikely.
Save yourself the trouble and just watch the Channel 4 highlightsSo two parts where I didn't fast forward it all, overall took about 30 mins to watch, so not a bad race then in my book
I’m assuming this was just returning the favour when Norris let him by in Hungary(?) after McLaren botched the pit stops. Norris cried about it for several laps before doing it so it’s funny seeing certain people comment on how this time it was the right thing to do.
Going forward I don’t think he’ll let Norris by.
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Things might well have been different if the title was closer, but I think Piastri understands the value of the team game. This year is going to be comfortable for whichever McLaren driver wins the WDC, next year or the year after he may need Norris to play the team game for him. Three points for 2nd vs 3rd isn't worth souring the relationship with the team and Norris over.
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I would disagree, all of the great drivers have been uncompromising (ruthless you would even say)
and that is what made them great, doing whatever it takes and pushing the absolute limits to be the very best.
Schumacher still considered the GOAT by many, also considered extremely dirty by many.
Senna, famous quote about no longer going for a gap, this is exactly what Max does now and people love Senna and hate Max for this.
I'm no Max fan, but having watched him over the past 4/5 years it is clear he has one goal and will do anything to achieve it.
I'm sure the FIA love it as well as the sport in general has gained a huge fan base through drive to survive and that program was all about drama, so if there is drama on/off track that they can feed somehow it means more fans and more money for the sport.
personally I'm not interested in the drama, and stopped watching drive to survive for this very reason
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I think Piastri kinda knows at this point that he is the more consistent driver.
I want Norris to win it, but I think it's going to Piastri this year.
He rarely makes mistakes and they aren't usually major.
Totally agree with you there in comparing Max to Senna..
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That quote which is infamously taken out of context
The general point is valid though, most winners will win any costs, which is why I admire Hamilton so much. Granted he's no saint but I think he wont he majority of his titles fairly. Often overlooked but the way he handled himself during the final race of 2021 is a credit to him as a driver, professional and a person.
Back on topic I scored the race at 5, it kept my interest through strategy and the early action.
YouTubeSave yourself the trouble and just watch the Channel 4 highlights
Frankly it was hillariously predictable McLaren switching Piastri and Norris about after Norris's bad stop. If Piastri loses by a point, given the nature of F1, it's entirely possible he never becomes a world champion. And it would be all down to this. There's a reason Hamilton, Schumacher, Vettel and Verstappen are winners. They give no quarter.
On the +'ve side, Norris is so jelly brained that if he ever is in a similar position and does not do the 'right' thing, he's going to be vilified and not sure he'll cope with that. So there is at least something Piastri can take away from the move.
On the +'ve side, Norris is so jelly brained that if he ever is in a similar position and does not do the 'right' thing, he's going to be vilified and not sure he'll cope with that. So there is at least something Piastri can take away from the move.
This wasn't really much different to when McLaren asked Norris to let Piastri past last year as they ****** up the strategy.
In fact I would argue that was a decent bit worse, as Piastri didn't manage to really catch Norris, and Norris seemed like the faster driver that race (generally).
Norris did already "do the right thing" last year.
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It was much worse with the Hungary call.
Piastri had no chance of getting after Max for the championship, he was behind Sainz and Leclerc in the standings. Norris had an outside chance
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