Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

  • For

  • Against

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Mysterae_ said:
I wonder if they'll make it compulsory to carry it on yourself at all times. "Your paperz pleaze!".

I also wonder what it'll cost as I doubt it'll be free. Could be a nice money spinner for the gov with over 67m adults requiring one. Then again, it's the gov's IT dept so it'll end up costing billions anyway and be a bit crap.
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The USA is seemingly going full 'Nazi', but europeans seem to cope fine with it, it's all about doing it correctly with the right checks and balances.

It's not the 'idea' that's the probem, it's the implimentation.
 
Ayahuasca said:
While creeping normalcy is a valid concern, not every policy shift automatically sets us on a slippery slope. Context, safeguards and democratic oversight matter in preventing that kind of escalation.
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Which we are witnessing being dismantled in the US and with the likes of Reform, who are of a similar persuasion to those in Trump's administration, having a shot at power that should concern people.
 
So impinge on the vast majorities civil liberties to crack down on a tiny percentage, what a winner, but remember if you've nothing to hide why would you worry :D

I'm more concerned about facial recognition technology

www.adalovelaceinstitute.org

Mass facial recognition roll-out exists in ‘legal grey area’ due to inadequate governance, says the Ada Lovelace Institute

The UK’s approach to governing facial recognition and other biometric technologies is failing to provide legal certainty or safeguard the public.
www.adalovelaceinstitute.org www.adalovelaceinstitute.org
 
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Rroff said:
Which we are witnessing being dismantled in the US and with the likes of Reform, who are of a similar persuasion to those in Trump's administration, having a shot at power that should concern people.
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It’s fair to be wary of political shifts, but it’s an overreach to suggest that democratic safeguards are being wholesale dismantled. Institutions, courts and public scrutiny still exert significant checks on power and conflating different political movements across countries risks blurring the actual nuances in how those systems function.

I can understand some of that concern with what we're seeing in the US, but OP went full China.
 
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The main arguements against this seem to hinge around not trusting government (or more likely, the private company that they will employ to administer it) with their data. It's a valid concern but I can only assume that they don't currently pay tax, have a job, claim benefits, have a bank account, see a doctor, drive a car, have a bus-pass, vote, or live in a building where council tax is due or utilities are provided. In that case, I can see how they might be worried about the government having some information about them.
 
I'm fine with it in principle, just depends what info is on it. Got no issues with "needed" info , as long as the line is drawn at info they dont need to know and is clearly just datamining info, to put it another way, happy for you to know about me, not happy for you to know about my life and what I do with it.
 
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Uther said:
I assume the OP doesn't have a driving licence, or a passport, or a NI number...
Shares in tin foil though.
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Driving licences, passports and NI numbers are all limited-purpose identifiers. You only use them occasionally — to drive, to travel, or for tax/employment. A compulsory digital ID would be different because it could become an always-on requirement, tied into tracking, access to services and transport. That’s the concern: scope and potential misuse, not whether ID documents exist in general.
 
Uther said:
I assume the OP doesn't have a driving licence, or a passport, or a NI number...
Shares in tin foil though.
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You only need to have a driving license if you have a car, you don't even need to carry it with you, you can be given a 'Producer' Passports only needs to be presented if you leave the Country to border force agents, again you don't need to carry it. I can't think of when I've ever been asked for my NI Number other than by my employer or Tax Office

Currently there is no legal obligation to carry ID in public in the UK, and British citizens are not required to identify themselves unless under arrest or specific legal circumstances.
 
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There is a minor problem, my phone is exceedingly dumb and would be unlikely to be able to produce my ID.
 
Good luck setting it up for my mother. She doesn't do technology, not been abroad for decades, her drivers licence is an old paper one and hasn't driven for 40 years. She stopped voting when they required ID.


But for those of us in the 21st century, what does this actually mean?
 
Open to abuse from a Government surely, you have to have it so you will be forced to comply with any and all future rules a Gov pass.
 
HEADRAT said:
You only need to have a driving license if you have a car, you don't even need to carry it with you, you can be given a 'Producer' Passports only needs to be presented if you leave the Country to border force agents, again you don't need to carry it. I can't think of when I've ever been asked for my NI Number other than by my employer or Tax Office

Currently there is no legal obligation to carry ID in public in the UK, and British citizens are not required to identify themselves unless under arrest or specific legal circumstances.
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I can identify myself at anytime, Just show me a mirror, Yep thats me
 
dave28 said:
Open to abuse from a Government surely, you have to have it so you will be forced to comply with any and all future rules a Gov pass.
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This may come as a suprise but you already have to comply with the laws they pass..
 
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