Probably some form of this: Voter ID laws discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities, new study reveals
Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***
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Probably some form of this: Voter ID laws discriminate against racial and ethnic minorities, new study reveals
don't forget the police are always out with facial recognition cameras.
They aren't allowed access to passport biometrics, yet they obviously are building a database even if people aren't criminals.
you think they are making databases of people who have been to protests etc? they also watch football matches and other stuff at train stations etc as fans are coming, building a database of people who attended, probably so they can easily identify anyone who commits a crime.
even if your not a criminal your already a potential suspect.
What about the new digital ID though. will they have access to the database. chatgpt says it's currently unknown.
police conviction rates are what 15% nation wide.
who can picture a system where all CCTV cameras do facial recognition against a national database.
Because police are useless as catching criminals.
do people want that? the gov could build a an AI model that can show exact routes etc people have taken.
people might as well have gps chips embedded in their skin.
it's the new DNA, it's too promising to resist, you know people will already be pushing it like tony Blair's think tank.
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Quite correct.
Google and Samsung probably know more about me than the Government. Do we trust corporations who only care about their bottom line and stock performance over the Government whose job it (should be) to protect its own citizens.
This is true that many tech companies have far more data/informartion about us than they should or the government currently does. However the key point here is choice. Nobody is forcing me or you to use Google/Apple/Microsoft technologies.
Whereas the goverment are literally forcing us under threat of taking away our personal freedoms and ability to work/provide for our families.
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I already have multiple forms of ID (Passport, Driving licence, birth certifcate) so don't need another thanks!
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Vietnam recently deleted a bunch of bank accounts for people who didn't verify their biometrics. That will likely be a similar thing here, your ID will be tied to your bank account. This is something Blair has been quite open about, monitoring all of your accounts and pre-emptively taking what they want.
I have one foot out of the UK already and like you I do plan to avoid this at all cost. It just means moving connections to the UK sooner than planned and settling where my new base will be.
Look to the corporations wanting to be involved, that's all this is for.
Palantir are already the backbone of US government and have spread to the NHS and MoD here and will no doubt be very interested in the digital id database.
It stinks.
Palantir are already the backbone of US government and have spread to the NHS and MoD here and will no doubt be very interested in the digital id database.
It stinks.
Pancake for me. I don't really care.
The government have all this info already. So I don't see it as one slippery slope thing.
Basically Im not bothered
I mean.. Damn Google knows where I am... All the time! Listens to my conversations etc. I just don't really care when private corps have waaaay more info on me
The government have all this info already. So I don't see it as one slippery slope thing.
Basically Im not bothered
I mean.. Damn Google knows where I am... All the time! Listens to my conversations etc. I just don't really care when private corps have waaaay more info on me
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Did you feel the same way about the national ID card scheme that Tony Blair introduced in 2006 and was then scrapped in 2010? (Blair also appears to be the main instigator of this scheme.)
But you made a choice to use the services and products of Google etc. This national digital ID scheme will be compulsory.
you can still buy a phone and sim without ID?
it's only tied to your name if you let it be. otherwise its just an anonymous phone.
in the future you'll probably need a social ID to unlock any phone you buy and get it authorised.
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I'd trust those companies more than this government.
you can still buy topups with cash and vouchers surely?
oh wait sorry I forgot they will get rid of cash for the same reasons they are bringing in digi ID.
so yea your correct.
any anonymous part of life will likely be gone in the next few years.
Those companies aren't potentially analysing your digital life for "non-crimes"
Seeing what people do on the internet is about as close as you can get to thought control an minority report.
you can learn far more about people than what you can in the real life.
imagine the blackmail potential, it's going to go crazy, peoples private info leaked to the press to discredit them etc.... anyone who can;t see it coming is blind.
I don;'t mean on a government level, just idiots with access to info leaking stuff and looking people up who they shouldn't. it already happens in the police with peoples records.
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I'm sure you'll be able to link to a quote where Tony Blair, who hasn't been Prime minster for nearly 20 years, said he wants to monitor everyone's bank accounts and take money from them.
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Google who actually removed their "Don't be evil" motto.
Criticism of Google - Wikipedia
Don't really remember that.
I just am not really bothered that's all. All this info is available to the government so I don't really see the issue.
Its not necessarily the immediate issue (although loss/theft of the card could be a nightmare) its about the inevitable scope creep. And from my point of view the cost to the taxpayer.
There you go. It is the Blair foundation who are responsible for this.
I'll add this for further context too
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I have no objection to a photo ID card. I do object to it being digital. I have enough carp installed on my phone already and as it is, I refuse to go down the road of telephone banking/payments too.
tl:dr if already covered, but what about people who have no mobile phone, or own an old PAYG/Burner phone?
tl:dr if already covered, but what about people who have no mobile phone, or own an old PAYG/Burner phone?
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Well, since we have not received any details about the proposed national digital ID scheme it's not possible to critique it yet. But if it's anything like its 2006-10 predecessor then I will be against it due to the inherent database security risks and "function creep" risk. If it was kept voluntary then that would be fine, but I suspect they would just require you to use it more and more until life becomes very difficult without it.
Actually, I would have no objection to them beefing up the security for the National Insurance numbercard. Just before you turn 16-years-old you are sent one and everyone has to have a National Insurance number to work, claim benefits and pay income tax/national insurance contributions. It would make sense to require people to provide the same sort of information they need to apply for their first British passport in order to get their National Insurance numbercard. The card could include a facial photograph (updated every 10 years) and if they wanted to use biometric authentication with it then a chip with your thumbprints encoded on it could be included. That card's data would obviously be backed up by a national database to prevent counterfeit cards from being used successfully.
That sort of freestanding pseudo-national ID card specifically for registered UK taxpayers who are allowed to work and claim benefits in the UK (not just citizens and recognised permanent residents) would be a sensible way to clamp down on illegal immigrants working and renting property in the UK etc. Because it is compartmentalised it would not carry the invasion of privacy and erosion of civil liberties risks of the old NIR (National Identity Register) database which was central to Blair's NIDC scheme in 2006.
I am a British citizen with a current passport, so that sort of card would not actually benefit me now. However, according to the 2021 Census about 8 million adults in England and Wales (~13.5%) didn't have a passport when they completed the Census form and expecting them to get one to get a job or rent a home (the government's current declared justifications) would be unreasonable. Therefore, I think toughening up the security of the National Insurance numbercard would be the fairest way to proceed without all the risks inherent in a centralised NIR style NIDC scheme.
The 2006-10 NIDC scheme was unacceptable to me because it sought to link all the public sector information about you in one database and create an identity hub (NIRN), similar to the US Social Security Number (which facilitates identity theft there when it is stolen). The NIRN would eventually be demanded by private companies for their convenience, making it open to abuse (meta-database risk) and it had serious security risks due to the collation of all your most valuable data (for fraudsters) in one place.
The last NIDC scheme mandated that everyone must submit their fingerprints, iris scans and a 3D facial scan when called for an interview under threat of a £2,500 fine (for each failure to attend). It remains to be seen if this new scheme will go that far, but I suspect there will be a biometric element to it.