Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?
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I dunno, change the formation so our midfield isn't a gaping void for us to get cut apart through game after game because we don't have any good central midfielders able to cover the space required. Stop trying to play wingbacks when we don't have any good wingbacks. Just play some simple bloody football so the players know what they are doing and where they're doing it and aren't visibly getting confused and frustrated on the pitch.
Basically, don't keep doing exactly the same thing game after game and praying that something will just magically change on its own.
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I don't think the formation is the only thing making us lose games, but it is definitely not helping.
And his refusal to accept that is astonishing.
And his refusal to accept that is astonishing.
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So go back to the same formation we played under Ole and ETH? Only with a manager who has never played it before? What's the point? Might as well sack him and get a 4-3-3 manager in. But then if that is what they want, why the **** did they decide less than 12 months ago that they wanted to play a back 3, and why haven't they bought players that fit that?
Panicking after ten hag had you worse than the previous season and he was the 'best' on the market when they pulled the trigger. There were zero amorim links prior to the contract extension when he was whoring himself around the prem.
Sure, it worked better, we won more games.
If he can only play one formation he's not a very good manager.
To win games of football.
Yep.
I don't think anyone expected that bloody-mindedly stick to this system of Amorin's was going to be such a complete car crash. There is no progress. We are routinely getting outplayed. Our performances are far, far worse than the standard of the squad, which ultimately is absolutely damning for a manager. That's his job, to get performances out of the players. He is objectively terrible at it. Time to go.
If he's unable to understand any other formations then yikes, we've really made a bad mistake appointing him. Need to get rid ASAP.
Do we think INEOS will find a suitable candidate? Their hiring skills don't seem very good.
A rocky road ahead.
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Very few managers will switch between a back four and a back three, it requires a really specific squad to be able to do that. The fact people think the solution to a squad unable to learn one system is to ask them to learn more than one is...baffling. Especially as they're asking for the formation that we sacked the previous guy for playing! It's weird how caught up people are on this, I don't recall anyone saying ETH should switch to playing a back 3 when he was struggling.
I don't want to keep going around in circles, but people are caught up on the fact that everything he's done so far has failed. The formation, tactics, motivating of the players, everything has been poor. Not just poor actually, utterly dreadful. His record since taking over is close to relegation form, with no sign of improvement. Forget the formation if you like, he just looks clueless.
People would just like him to try something else rather than doing the exact same thing every week and watching us lose. Everything you're saying just highlights how horribly limited he seems to be as a manager. If he's not able to adapt the team, or instruct the players differently, then he's not good enough to manage Man Utd, or any PL side for that matter.
Even if he pulled a #10 and played with just one of them and putting another midfielder in to shore up the midfield would improve things a bit. A midfield 3 instead of a 2 could plug the holes and he could still play pretty much a similar formation.
Yeah, its pretty simple. Hes not been up to scratch. You need to show something at some point and if you are not adaptable then your plan A had better damn well work.
We need to get a coach in who plays a more standard system and he needs to start putting some wins on the board. I still think this is a good squad. Its just not a good squad for Amorim-ball.
Loving the debate. Hate that we are having to have it.
I've never been as obsessed with the system as some fans and the media. Glasner just beat Liverpool playing a similar way. I think it could be a very exciting playstyle for us and one that could be successful in the this league, even when some of the evidence this season is that teams are prioritising long balls and set pieces. I think the biggest problem he has is that to many of our players are just not good enough. Add to matters that we keep trying to change the play style - 5 managers in 10 years and we are about to add a sixth. Sadly I think with Manchester United you really do need pretty much a 100% squad rotation and so far we have managed about 20%. That means that 80% of the squad is not what Amorim has chosen and mostly does not profile to his preferred approach.
The problem with us and it's been the same for all the previous managers - maybe except for van Gaal - is that there is a demand that you win and this means managers buckle to pressure and compromise. Amorim's compromise is that he has reverted to playing a second rate keeper, a slow centre back, a physically and mentally weak LCB, no credible central midfielder for the demands of Premier League football (regardless of formation). He's also allowed the club to overload the squad with no-10s which led to us spending the remaining budget on Sesko and not a midfielder.
In many ways Amorim is right to be stubborn and not compromise his principles. Fans were crying out for a more systematic, identifiable playstyle and now he has tried to implement it we don't have the patience to see it through. Personally I think he should have been bolder in selection. We should have sold Fernandes, Maguire frozen out or sold Casemiro and Shaw and taken a risk on some of the youth players. The results might have been similar but I think it could have brought more consistency in the long term and lets face it the experienced players have been shocking in 60% of the matches. Too many of these players have effectively sacked three managers and until they are gone I don't think the cultural reset can be completed.
I've never been as obsessed with the system as some fans and the media. Glasner just beat Liverpool playing a similar way. I think it could be a very exciting playstyle for us and one that could be successful in the this league, even when some of the evidence this season is that teams are prioritising long balls and set pieces. I think the biggest problem he has is that to many of our players are just not good enough. Add to matters that we keep trying to change the play style - 5 managers in 10 years and we are about to add a sixth. Sadly I think with Manchester United you really do need pretty much a 100% squad rotation and so far we have managed about 20%. That means that 80% of the squad is not what Amorim has chosen and mostly does not profile to his preferred approach.
The problem with us and it's been the same for all the previous managers - maybe except for van Gaal - is that there is a demand that you win and this means managers buckle to pressure and compromise. Amorim's compromise is that he has reverted to playing a second rate keeper, a slow centre back, a physically and mentally weak LCB, no credible central midfielder for the demands of Premier League football (regardless of formation). He's also allowed the club to overload the squad with no-10s which led to us spending the remaining budget on Sesko and not a midfielder.
In many ways Amorim is right to be stubborn and not compromise his principles. Fans were crying out for a more systematic, identifiable playstyle and now he has tried to implement it we don't have the patience to see it through. Personally I think he should have been bolder in selection. We should have sold Fernandes, Maguire frozen out or sold Casemiro and Shaw and taken a risk on some of the youth players. The results might have been similar but I think it could have brought more consistency in the long term and lets face it the experienced players have been shocking in 60% of the matches. Too many of these players have effectively sacked three managers and until they are gone I don't think the cultural reset can be completed.
That's also a failing of the management.
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I think we need to steal Howe! It has to be someone with EPL experience.
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I think the bar is so low now that's not even required.
Whoever the manager is, they won't have a keeper or an experienced striker, they're going to be in for a ride and a half.
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How the hell he didn't get sacked this morning is amazing tbh.
Shall we rename Ratcliffe to Ostrich because someone has got his head in the sand?
Shall we rename Ratcliffe to Ostrich because someone has got his head in the sand?
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