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Junglist said:
Making your vehicle's energy/fuel of choice part of your personality is certainly... something.
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A lot of that does tend to be the nEVer electric crowd who tend to repeat the same anti EV stuff that has been debunked ad nauseam.

Though I do agree EVangelists tend to put people off EVs more than they help convert. My approach is to simply ignore the environmental aspect go with pure costs.

It piques their interest more telling people you bought a used EV with 300 miles of range, are saving £1200 per year on fuel and it costs the same as an equivalent used petrol car.
 
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ICDP said:
Though I do agree EVangelists tend to put people off EVs more than they help convert.
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Is that not kind of weird enough in itself? Why would anyone feel the need to try and convert someone else's vehicle of choice.

I'm not particularly for or agaisnt EVs. I have one because it ticked the boxes I needed ticking but for a whole swathe of the population they're not ideal at all.

Truth be told, if money was no issue and I wasn't concerned about petrol costs, servicing and so on. I'd absolutely still be driving an ICE.
 
Mysterae_ said:
More info on the M5 closure because of the transporter fire carrying EVs - https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/gallery/dramatic-images-video-electric-cars-10541223

One commentor said "I drove past it when only the wheel was on fire so it wasn't the cars" which may be true, I'm sure they'll the determine the source.

Regardless, it won't stop those against EVs stoking the fire.
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Lorry trailer bakes default to on when there is no air pressure. If there was a brake failure on the trailer, it is likely to fail fully on.

If the trailer is in motion and the driver doesn’t notice, it will end in a fire. It’s one of the more common reasons for lorry fires.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Lorry trailer bakes default to on when there is no air pressure. If there was a brake failure on the trailer, it is likely to fail fully on.

If the trailer is in motion and the driver doesn’t notice, it will end in a fire. It’s one of the more common reasons for lorry fires.
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I hope this is found to the cause of the fire. Not just because I own a BYD and it's bad for their image, but because it'll be bad for all EVs in general. There's certainly an entrenched stalwart of people that will just not buy an EV and don't need another reason reaffirm that decision.
 
In my opinion, serving my own interests, the less EV cars the better. Means finding decent public charging will be easier.

Obviously the real solution would be better public charging but I don’t see that happening for a while
 
Mysterae_ said:
I hope this is found to the cause of the fire. Not just because I own a BYD and it's bad for their image, but because it'll be bad for all EVs in general. There's certainly an entrenched stalwart of people that will just not buy an EV and don't need another reason reaffirm that decision.
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It doesn’t really matter because people who feed off the FUD and myths, will only accept the lie as the truth.

ICE cars catch fire all the time, it never makes the news.
 
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Junglist said:
Is that not kind of weird enough in itself? Why would anyone feel the need to try and convert someone else's vehicle of choice.

I'm not particularly for or agaisnt EVs. I have one because it ticked the boxes I needed ticking but for a whole swathe of the population they're not ideal at all.

Truth be told, if money was no issue and I wasn't concerned about petrol costs, servicing and so on. I'd absolutely still be driving an ICE.
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It’s not really weird because even if it doesn’t matter to you on a personal level, EVs are demonstrably better for the environment long term.

So I don’t give a crap how we (as a species) get people in to EVs, just that ultimately it would be a good thing. But I don’t judge if people don’t go EVs.

For what it’s worth I didn’t go EV for the planet either, just the cost. But that doesn’t mean I don’t consider they are ultimately better for the environment.

To put it simply, even if running an EV was a bit more expensive than ICE, I would still go EV despite the perceived inconvenience.
 
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ICDP said:
It’s not really weird because even if it doesn’t matter to you on a personal level, EVs are demonstrably better for the environment long term.

So I don’t give a crap how we (as a species) get people in to EVs, just that ultimately it would be a good thing.

For what it’s worth I didn’t go EV for the planet either, just the cost.
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It's jut not the hill I am going to chose to die on. They're better for the environment but still have an impact with all the mining for the batteries so in an ideal world everyone would be to use recycled aluminium or steel bicycles. But we don't live in an ideal world, which is why ICEs, for now, are the better option for the majority. Trying to convert someone to a logically worse choice for them is going to go down like a lead balloon.

ICE cars are naturally going to dwindle after 2035. Until there is a viable way for cheaper public charging to be available to the masses you can't expect people to just switch overnight to EVs. Otherwise for those less well off and require a car for work, you're sticking a middle finger up at them. EVs are amazing when you can charge at home on a cheap overnight rate but millions will not be able to do that. Hundreds of thousands will not be able to afford even a semi decent used electric car then on top of that they have to get the no Vaseline treatment at expensive public charging.

Fix the public charging issue with reasonable prices that make petrol/diesel options unattractive and people will switch. Until then, EVs are just an expensive inconvenience to many
 
if people dont want to buy an EV because they dont work for them (and those who cant charge at home I get it, public charging is too expensive if it is gonna be your primary way to charge. If a person doesnt want an EV i just want them to not want them for truthful reasons not because the daily express has filled them full of FUD. IF the reason is because they want a manual and like the sound and smell of a V6 petrol engine so bit it! - I do sometimes miss mine as well.

What ****** me off is the amount of complete nonsense our media and the plebs on social media like to promote. Until people get past the nonsense about EVs it makes it very hard to discuss the genuine issues with them (or the infrastructure surrounding them) imo.

There are still people who believe the batteries are fit for the bin after 5 years, that the environmental impact of making them means they will still be worse than a diesel over the life of the car, and that that are more likely to set on fire than petrol car........ the truth is the battery is likely to out last the car, iirc its around 15000 miles before they have covered any extra manufacture impact and they are far less likely to set on fire than an ICE (but it is fair to say IF they catch on fire they are harder to put out)
 
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Junglist said:
It's jut not the hill I am going to chose to die on. They're better for the environment but still have an impact with all the mining for the batteries so in an ideal world everyone would be to use recycled aluminium or steel bicycles. But we don't live in an ideal world, which is why ICEs, for now, are the better option for the majority. Trying to convert someone to a logically worse choice for them is going to go down like a lead balloon.

ICE cars are naturally going to dwindle after 2035. Until there is a viable way for cheaper public charging to be available to the masses you can't expect people to just switch overnight to EVs. Otherwise for those less well off and require a car for work, you're sticking a middle finger up at them. EVs are amazing when you can charge at home on a cheap overnight rate but millions will not be able to do that. Hundreds of thousands will not be able to afford even a semi decent used electric car then on top of that they have to get the no Vaseline treatment at expensive public charging.

Fix the public charging issue with reasonable prices that make petrol/diesel options unattractive and people will switch. Until then, EVs are just an expensive inconvenience to many
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For sure.

I was saying to the other half that if the rumoured tariffs (for want of a better word) are put of EVs such as:

- Standard VED plus £10 for every kg over 2,000kgs because they are heavier than average ICE car (£2,195 VED then...)
- Removal of cheap rate overnight electricity and no reduction in cost of public charging
- Pay-per-mile introduced and again higher for EVs because of "reasons"...

.. I'd sell my EV quicker than you could spell autotrader and probably look for an Euro 6 diesel barge.
 
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Can't be bothered with the pandantics of EV versus ICE really, but some on either side will always get on their soap box about it.
I purchased an EV because I can have a car with similar performance and prestige I'm used to that costs me much less to run than a ICE.
To be honest I couldn't give two hoots about the environment arguments either.
 
Well bmw have issued a fire risk recall to 196,000 vehicles.

and it isn't on their ev range.
Just shows nothings perfect even after all that R&D and testing.
 
Junglist said:
Is that not kind of weird enough in itself? Why would anyone feel the need to try and convert someone else's vehicle of choice.

I'm not particularly for or agaisnt EVs. I have one because it ticked the boxes I needed ticking but for a whole swathe of the population they're not ideal at all.

Truth be told, if money was no issue and I wasn't concerned about petrol costs, servicing and so on. I'd absolutely still be driving an ICE.
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I guess it falls into the same category as those ICE owners that when coming across an EV driver automatically tell them about EVs going on fire, and they aren't really eco friendly, the anxiety of of emptying the battery and not being able to refuel, etc, etc basically telling the EV owner how bad a decision they made, but in reality reassuring themselves about their own decision making.
 
tangey said:
I guess it falls into the same category as those ICE owners that when coming across an EV driver automatically tell them about EVs going on fire, and they aren't really eco friendly, the anxiety of of emptying the battery and not being able to refuel, etc, etc basically telling the EV owner how bad a decision they made, but in reality reassuring themselves about their own decision making.
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That is also weird. But it's not some kind of weirdo games where we are trying to out-weird a weird comment.

Anyway, that situation is easily shut down with "Yeah, well, good job it's not your problem then" and you just keep it moving.

I feel like I'm back in school partaking in console fanboy wars. They're just cars. They're not an extension of us so why would you take someone having a (flawed) opinion to heart so much.
 
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