Just to close this out as this comment is completely unfair. I never ever hate on ICE. Please find an example to support this claim
I have two cars. One EV the other a modified E92 M3 that I use both on the road and track
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I have two cars. One EV the other a modified E92 M3 that I use both on the road and track
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Got to love a spectator sport…
Not insurmountable but one of the issues we had when looking at EVs - one place we wanted to be able to put a charger in was supposed to have a 32amp dedicated mains connection but closer inspection showed it to be a cowboy job and would have been dangerous at anything close and fixing it would cost £££.
At home we've got a ~3000ft square parking area with power on tap but that is only half the battle. Be interesting to see what happened if the village replaced most vehicles with EVs and chargers as the grid was struggling when a few neighbours got EVs but has stabilised since so I'm guessing they've done upgrades but with the power coming in overhead there is probably a limit to what can be provided.
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Shock horror as cheaper prices drive increased sales. Finally the government realise most people wont buy EVs because they care about the environment, but because they care about their pocket.
Make EVs more attractive financially than ICE and people will buy them. No amount of FUD and anti EV nonsense will change that.
In theory they could trickle charge on mains or solar is another option. There may even be solar powered public or community chargers in the future. Or Phevs with smaller batteries would charge for less hours.
Overhead cables isn’t a bottleneck, ironically if they did need an upgrade, overhead would be a doddle, quicker and cheaper than any other solution.
They only bury cables for aesthetic reasons, the grid would always prefer overhead as the default.
They only bury cables for aesthetic reasons, the grid would always prefer overhead as the default.
Don’t you get it yet, everything is a bottleneck and EVs wont work for every single person in the UK now and forever.
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also given most EVs are charged over night, and residential demand plummets over night it may not be as big an issue to solve as some think. if the grid can support loads of people cooking Christmas day lunch then maybe it can support overnight charging.
an electric power shower can use 10kw. of course everyone cooking a Sunday roast whilst charging a car and having a power shower may be an issue... but afaik smart EV chargers can increase and decrease their power delivery if needed.
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This isn't modern overhead pylons, it is ancient - would need complete replacement of several miles and I can't see them rushing to do that - it was a big issue when a vehicle fire affected part of it.
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I think it is accepted that huge parts of the grid do need upgrading... but it's not like everyone is going to go EV overnight.
the EV mandate has been known about for years and it's still more years before it really comes into effect (assuming the government don't renague of course) so it's not like the engineers responsible for the grid upgrade roll out haven't had warning.
again tho it can be shaped by carrot and stick ... cheap overnight charging when energy is less in demand combined with potentially premium energy prices at peak times to make sure people don't willy nilly charge their cars when they do not need it. with smart chargers premium prices don't need to be passed onto house use either. (which could be gamed but I dare say the number of people petty enough to granny charge their cars at peak time when. they could have cheap overnight charging will be neglagable)
edit though it is inevitable that some YouTube "content creators" or Jeremy Clarkson will of course manage to at the worst possible time charge 3 EVs, whilst running an electric oven, heat pump and a couple of electric showers and fuse their neighbourhood to make a point, which the likes of the daily express will lap up :/
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Most of the houses here still use oil fired boilers with showers connected to that - along with air source heat pumps it is another aspect that has to be considered locally.
It's clear that home charging will not be completely feasible for all people, no matter how far into the future we look, the key is for it to be feasible for enough people that public infrastructure demands are sensible enough to be achievable and minimally inconvenient (and costly) for those who do need to use them as their primary recharging source.
Currently there's a bias towards expensive 'service station' located ultra fast chargers because most EV adopters are home charging and need these chargers mostly for range extensions on longer trips. As demand increases for more 'local petrol station' equivalents, they will start to appear more frequently, as there will be a money making opportunity.
Currently there's a bias towards expensive 'service station' located ultra fast chargers because most EV adopters are home charging and need these chargers mostly for range extensions on longer trips. As demand increases for more 'local petrol station' equivalents, they will start to appear more frequently, as there will be a money making opportunity.
Don’t forget the local grid is designed for a peak demand which is 20% lower today than it was in 2007.
Sure it’s going to double in the next 40-50 years but that’s only 66% up on peak demand currently.
An ASHP on tick over doesn’t use that much energy. 90% of the time mine is running it’s consuming 500-600w. Going full chat it’s only pulling 3kw.
Back to electric cars, the Model 3 is now back to having an indicator stalk 
That marks the end of an odd era for that car I’ll say that much.
It’s also got the same tweaks as the new Model Y performance, so slightly larger higher res screen, front bumper cam and a new slightly larger battery from LG.
It’s now got about the same range and price as the new CLA but comes with more equipment as standard and is less cramped inside which makes for an interesting proposition.
That marks the end of an odd era for that car I’ll say that much.
It’s also got the same tweaks as the new Model Y performance, so slightly larger higher res screen, front bumper cam and a new slightly larger battery from LG.
It’s now got about the same range and price as the new CLA but comes with more equipment as standard and is less cramped inside which makes for an interesting proposition.
Back to electric cars, the Model 3 is now back to having an indicator stalk
It was an idiotic decision and tesla knows it. Minimalist is good but that was one step too far.
Updated Tesla Model 3 gets boosted 466-mile range and the indicator stalk we longed for | Auto Express
In a win for common sense Tesla has substituted buttons for a proper indicator stalk
www.autoexpress.co.uk
I wonder if they will bring out V2H for the older models...seems like the Juniper MYP has it from factory
Back to electric cars, the Model 3 is now back to having an indicator stalk
That marks the end of an odd era for that car I’ll say that much.
It’s also got the same tweaks as the new Model Y performance, so slightly larger higher res screen, front bumper cam and a new slightly larger battery from LG.
It’s now got about the same range and price as the new CLA but comes with more equipment as standard and is less cramped inside which makes for an interesting proposition.
I saw this yesterday, as you said good comparison against the CLA for range, but that is also a hard pass for the entry model so few features and it still in luxury VED bracket and finish is average for a Mercedes.
Do you know what the new pack size actually is?
82kwh IIRC but also has higher power output. The old model 3 performance was down on power compared to the American made models which have Panasonic batteries but that isn’t the case now.
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Did anyone get a bit travel sick driving their first EV?
Maybe I'm just getting used to it, but I've not had this with ice cars and when driving the Mrs's new Kona EV I often feel a bit nauseous.
My daily is a modified MX5. It's rumbly and noisy, but I'm fine in it!
Maybe I'm just getting used to it, but I've not had this with ice cars and when driving the Mrs's new Kona EV I often feel a bit nauseous.
My daily is a modified MX5. It's rumbly and noisy, but I'm fine in it!