Case/CPU / Motherboard replacement

[Crippled Potato]

So...what I thought was a simple and exciting Sapphire 9070xt upgrade seems to have quickly spiralled into a dead motherboard / CPU which is failing to boot up.

The current PC is pretty much the ship of Theseus at the moment, so I'm not exactly surprised. The 9 year old case is pretty warped from taking it apart and moving house so many times. So I think it's time to start afresh with a brand new build with the GPU that's still in its box

So, I probably need Case (black), Motherboard, CPU, coolers and power supply. For general gaming and budget is ~£1000

The old pc won't go to waste, I'll recover the leftover components that are working and rebuild the ship of Theseus next year.

Ta very much!

 

[Gray2233]

What resolution are you planning on playing at, and are there any particular games you tend to focus on such as CoD or BF?

Edit: Regardless, this is pretty much the best you'll get for £1000 all in, but depending on use case the 9800X3D might not be necessary:

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Gigabyte Aorus 7300 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-GIG-05732) = £119.99
• 1 x Sapphire Pulse B850M WiFi (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-SPR-05692) = £129.95
• 1 x Antec CX600M ARGB M-ATX Mini Tower - Black (SKU: CAS-ATC-04160) = £54.94
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.99
• 1 x Lian Li Edge Gold 850W Black Power Supply (SKU: POW-LIA-03764) = £95.99
• 1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £139.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95

Total: £982.79 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

You can put together a standard midi-tower for similar money, I just lean toward M-ATX as a personal preference.

 

[Mcnumpty2323]

Ship of theseus paradox
Don't hear that one very often in here


Depends how old the motherboard is
But it's actually possible its bios
Can't support such a new card
Only had that happen to me once a long while ago
Drove me crazy trying to figure why it wouldn't display

 

[Crippled Potato]

Oh sorry, forgot to include that, It's 3440x1440. I tend to play Cyberpunk, Squad and Le Mans Ultimate at the moment. May pick up Battlefield at a later date.

I prefer a big tower please, and I don't need the SSD.

Also as a side question, how much would the budget need to increase to look into water cooling?

 

[Mcnumpty2323]

An aio?
Or custom watercooling cpu and gpu?
A thermalright aio is pretty cheap
Custom watercooling is very expensive nowadays
Even second hand parts aren't that cheap

 

[Gray2233]

Oh sorry, forgot to include that, It's 3440x1440. I tend to play Cyberpunk, Squad and Le Mans Ultimate at the moment. May pick up Battlefield at a later date.

I prefer a big tower please, and I don't need the SSD.

Also as a side question, how much would the budget need to increase to look into water cooling?

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.99
• 1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £139.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95
• 1 x Kolink Observatory Duo ARGB Midi Tower Case - Black Window (SKU: CA-077-KK) = £49.99
• 1 x Phanteks AMP GH 850W 80PLUS Gold ATX Power Supply Modular - Black (SKU: POW-PHK-02519) = £104.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03859) = £149.99

Total: £874.90 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

This should fit the bill, changed the PSU as the edge tends to be best used in dual chamber PC's, the case is easily changed if it's not to your liking but it is decent value.

Edit: WC related, a good AiO can be had from Thermalright for £50, a better one can be had in the form of the Arctic Freezer III range for around £80-100, there aren't any other AiO's on the market I'd personally bother with.

A custom set up could run a good few hundred, but that area is more @Mcnumpty2323's forte.

 

[Crippled Potato]

Yes an aio

(Sorry, I only ever look at PC components when it comes to upgrade, so I always forget the terminology )

Awesome, thanks

 

[DotA]

Pick a case you like, i find its a personal choice, the rest can be worked out when you chose yourself.

 

[Gray2233]

Yes an aio

(Sorry, I only ever look at PC components when it comes to upgrade, so I always forget the terminology )

Awesome, thanks

Honestly, the 9800X3D will run just fine on a good air cooler such as the one linked.

If you do opt for an AiO it'll be largely an aesthetic choice, that said go for a 360mm model as hilariously many of the smaller get out performed by traditional air coolers. One thing to note about the aforementioned Arctic Freezer III is that the series has thicker radiators than most AiO's so be sure to check it fits whichever case you aim for.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Arctic Liquid Freezer III PRO ARGB High Performance All In One CPU Cooler - 360mm (SKU: COO-ARC-04930) = £89.99
• 1 x Thermalright Aqua Elite 360 Black ARGB V3 All In One CPU Cooler (SKU: COO-TLR-03256) = £49.99

Total: £143.98 (includes delivery: £3.99)​

Obviously also make sure whichever case you get can fit a 360 in a suitable configuration.

 

[Mcnumpty2323]

As gray2233 said
Artic freezer 280 or 360mm if can fit the 360mm in
Or any thermalright aio again 280mm or 360mm if
It fits in the case

Though an aio does add a failure point
Since it has a pump
For about £40 the thermalright pretor is one of
The best available air coolers
And typically for thermalright it's killer performance
At a killer price
Thermalright owning their own factories
And tooling means can make everything in house
Which keeps costs down
But their products aren't just cheap
They really deliver on performance too
Its almost impossible not to recommend thermalright as
One of if not The best performance for the money

 

[DotA]

Also what Monitor you got? and what games do you play?

 

[Crippled Potato]

As gray2233 said
Artic freezer 280 or 360mm if can fit the 360mm in
Or any thermalright aio again 280mm or 360mm if
It fits in the case

Though an aio does add a failure point
Since it has a pump
For about £40 the thermalright pretor is one of
The best available air coolers
And typically for thermalright it's killer performance
At a killer price
Thermalright owning their own factories
And tooling means can make everything in house
Which keeps costs down
But their products aren't just cheap
They really deliver on performance too
Its almost impossible not to recommend thermalright as
One of if not The best performance for the money

Noted, based on both of your advice I'll stick to air cooled then. Always appreciate this sort of advice, I'm a few years out of date!

 

[Mcnumpty2323]

Noted, based on both of your advice I'll stick to air cooled then. Always appreciate this sort of advice, I'm a few years out of date!

The fewer points of failure is always
The best idea whenever possible
Air cooler is just a big lump of metal
Only point of failure is the fans
Which you can easily replace
An aio it's not just the pump there have been problems
With coolant gunking up the cold plate etc too

Believe Tom's hardware tested the pretor
Actually it's royal pretor
I forgot the royal bit in the name
They tested it on a 9950X3D with great results
There will be plenty other reviews out there of it as well
Its more future proof than the peerless assassin
Not that the peerless assassin is bad at all
Just the pretor is even better

 

[Gray2233]

Noted, based on both of your advice I'll stick to air cooled then. Always appreciate this sort of advice, I'm a few years out of date!

Always happy to help bud, be sure to let us know how you get on.

A few pics wouldn't go amiss either!

 

[tamzzy]

seems to have quickly spiralled into a dead motherboard / CPU which is failing to boot up.

what are the specs of the current pc?
does it work when the old gpu is placed back in?
if so, may well just need a bios update on the mobo (if not done so already)

 

[Crippled Potato]

what are the specs of the current pc?
does it work when the old gpu is placed back in?
if so, may well just need a bios update on the mobo (if not done so already)

MSI B550 Tomahawk
5600x
6800XT
Corsair rmx 750w power supply

The 6800xt was becoming faulty and getting black screen crashes at high end gaming which necessitated the upgrade to the 9070xt but it still functions. But I've spent most of the day fault finding with both GPUs, resetting BIOS, resetting CMOS, reseating all the power cables, stripping everything back etc and I've still been unable to get it to post. It still shows a red CPU error light on the motherboard and no display.

 

[tamzzy]

ooof. that's still a pretty decent system to go suddenly kaput like that
the only think i can think of is to (1) disassemble the whole system and try it outside of the case, and (2) to reseat the cpu and see if that works

 

[Threepwood]

Ship of theseus paradox
Don't hear that one very often in here

 

[Mcnumpty2323]

Yep that's the one

 

[Crippled Potato]

ooof. that's still a pretty decent system to go suddenly kaput like that
the only think i can think of is to (1) disassemble the whole system and try it outside of the case, and (2) to reseat the cpu and see if that works

Yeah, I didn't have any thermal paste handy so I'm waiting for that to arrive before I do that.

Like I said, the parts won't go to waste, I'll probably reassemble the working ones into a second Theseus that will go in the living room for casual gaming on the sofa