EV general discussion

Haha, all true. :D

Either way, the point being sarcastically made by mostly existing EV owners is… it’s a myth that EVs become obsolete in a few years. It’s one of those things the media like to bring up now and again with no real research.

I have a feeling my 2 year old Cupra Born 77kWh will be going strong as a family transport in another 10. If not for my family then someone else’s.
 
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Minstadave said:
A second hand EV seems a solid play these days, Im coming to the end of my lease deal next year and wondering whether to go second hand instead of a new lease.
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A 3 year old second hand EV is the way to go, IMO. The depreciation is mostly done by then.

Bought my 2022 model 3 LR AWD with a years warranty left for £20k and that's from a car that was asking £58k new at the time.

One ding on the bodywork but rest of the car looks as good as new inside and outside.

The expected depreciation calculators all suggests that once the EV is 3-4 years old the depreciation curve matches the ICE equivalents.
(And as usual my target is £300/MTH)
 
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I think I need to investigate second hand more. It’d still be financed to some extent, but even a 73 plate EV9 is near enough £50,000. Saying that, there’s plenty of warranty. All the specs are the same as the new leased ones and it’s £15,000 that I won’t have to foot the bill for. On a dealer hire purchase deal I’d be in for £600 a month at that price without all the pension implications. I’d be able to offload the current car to the dealer to shave some pennies off the deposit.

Makes me wonder what else I can get with seven seats for that sort of cash…
 
I see Dacia have updated the Spring, new motors, new battery and faster charging along side a few other things, feeling the pinch from the Chinese competition perhaps?
 
Journey said:
I see Dacia have updated the Spring, new motors, new battery and faster charging along side a few other things, feeling the pinch from the Chinese competition perhaps?
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I’m more surprised they thought the totally subpar original version would be remotely popular. It seems their assessment that most people don’t have standards is woefully flawed.

A race to the bottom, is not a race you want to win let alone compete in.
 
so far ive been very happy with my 3 year old EV purchase, done about 1200 miles so far.

For the money i paid i'd have been getting a much older or higher milage ICE car of the same class.

Mine maybe feels a bit dated compared to new EV's but as i was coming from a 15 year old ICE car it feels like a space ship to me so i don't' feel I'm missing out of anything at all.
 
Simon said:
It’s only a NHS thing tbh. For most people the cost is gross then your tax band impacts the net.
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Almost. There is the slight consideration of where the salary sacrifice comes off. Is it before or after you pension contributions. While this could be a small amount, it all adds up. I had confirmation from my employer that the salary sacrifice element comes off after pension contributions. So my, and my employers contributions come off first, then the salary sacrifice. Which all adds up.
 
Journey said:
I see Dacia have updated the Spring, new motors, new battery and faster charging along side a few other things, feeling the pinch from the Chinese competition perhaps?
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Dacia is de facto Chinese isn't it? Regardless of the multiple brands the same car is getting badged under, they're all still getting made in China.

ICDP said:
I’m more surprised they thought the totally subpar original version would be remotely popular. It seems their assessment that most people don’t have standards is woefully flawed.
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People aren't buying Dacias for the quality, they're buying them for the price. It was the cheapest EV option in Europe and it sold pretty well, at least as first.
 
Journey said:
Nope.
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The Spring (sorry, should have specified I was talking about the Spring specifically, not Dacia more generally) is built in a Chinese factory, was designed in co-operation with a Chinese company, and is sold under the name of that Chinese company in China. I dunno, that seems pretty much the definition of de facto Chinese to me. I know Dacia aren't a Chinese owned brand, but I can't see that the facts on the ground are going to impact their ability to compete with Chinese competition.
 
don't knock dacia - good electric version could make someone a lot of money.


jpaul said:
Maybe the UK is exceptional, but if you look at europes popular car segments - a definite market opportunity for micra (next to bland dacia and nicoles favourite)

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[[ the last page concern on warranties for buying 2nd hand ev was not the battery, but the brave new world of infotainment tablets / AC charging circuitry .. tesla, stellantis thinking of you
so an extended warranty on likes of tesla would have been a nice option ]
 
Mr Jack said:
The Spring (sorry, should have specified I was talking about the Spring specifically, not Dacia more generally) is built in a Chinese factory, was designed in co-operation with a Chinese company, and is sold under the name of that Chinese company in China. I dunno, that seems pretty much the definition of de facto Chinese to me. I know Dacia aren't a Chinese owned brand, but I can't see that the facts on the ground are going to impact their ability to compete with Chinese competition.
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But look at the Mach e. Made in Mexico or China (under a JV too) that’s equally Chinese ? Dacia is a sub brand of Renault.

All foriegn OEMs need a JV to operate in China
 
xs2man said:
Yeah, Dacia are Romanian built AFAIK. And owned by Renault hence all the clio parts in almost everything.
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Renault seem to sell some Dacia models as Renaults in some markets like India and Brazil too. The Spring is a Kwid in Brazil, I can see why they didn't use that name here!
 
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