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I missed the news that the Polestar 3 2025 performance model gets 670bhp instead of the previous years 544bhp

And now on an 800v architecture with 22 minutes charging time.

If they have crazy lease deals for those again in 2026 I think I'd go for that as my next car over the IX3 new klasse.

Most reviewers said the Polestar 3 was a great car l, but didn't feel as powerful as the stats indicated
 
670 bhp is bonkers, charging tech is cool though. I actually wrestled with the thought of single motor for my Polestar 4 order but dual motor wasn’t that much more so I was like YOLO
 
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VincentHanna said:
Most reviewers said the Polestar 3 was a great car l, but didn't feel as powerful as the stats indicated
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I think those that review cars for a living have lost touch with reality.

There has to come a point where run of the mill cars for Joe and Joanne Blogs to go to work in are powerful enough. Arguably we are way past that point.

There is a guy locally who I often come across, mid 50's, drives an Enyaq. I'm sure his previous car was a 2.0 TDI or similar because he can't seem to apply anything other than 100% throttle and then it's everyone else's problem that they can't evaporate out of his way.

I had an encounter with him. We both joined a roundabout at the exact same moment, he was one exit before me. I had a car in front that was a bit tardy accelerating but nothing extreme. Enyaq guy straight lines the roundabout at full attack and gets all horny over the fact that he was close to my rear bumper before taking his exit. These ding songs have always existed but stick them in an instant torque EV and they really do show themselves. I'm sure the seconds he saves on every acceleration are more than taken up with him grabbing footage off his dash cam of idiots getting in his way and pulling out on him :rolleyes:

Anyway, point is... Do we really need "performance" versions of already incredibly quick cars?
 
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HEADRAT said:
670 bhp is bonkers, charging tech is cool though. I actually wrestled with the thought of single motor for my Polestar 4 order but dual motor wasn’t that much more so I was like YOLO
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I was same with the Ioniq only really need the single motor version but 4wd and more power is a cruel mistress. I’m averaging 2.8 mkw economy driving has not yet sunk in.
 
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I was the opposite, I rarely used the full power of my previous I-Pace. So I was fine with its replacement being a more mundane EV with 7.0 seconds 0-62 mph.
 
My ID3 only has 200ish bhp but to be honest with the pace of its acceleration I don't feel like you need any more for general driving. Still feels more rapid somehow than bikes I've had that'll do 0-60 in half the time.

That's not too say I won't be swayed when I get my next car because bigger is always better :o
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
I was same with the Ioniq only really need the single motor version but 4wd and more power is a cruel mistress. I’m averaging 2.8 mwkh economy driving has not yet sunk in.
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I tend to use Eco mode 90% of the time on my ioniq 5, its the AWD but with 19s rather than 20s the ultimate version has. Over my 24k miles my average is 3.7 miles/Kw. I use sport mode when overtaking and normal getting on/off A roads/ motorway.
WRT to the power "problem" driving both the 405 and 740ish BHP IM5/6 the other week the 400 one was quicker than my ioniq 5, the 740 was a bit silly but having AWD is always my choice, just a shame many manufactures stick silly power on AWD vehicles where I would have preferred to have a 400hp AWD vehicle.
 
I think the point I was getting at wasn't that the Polestar 3 was underpowered in the first place, just that it didn't feel as fast as it's power suggested according to some

Probably because it weighs 2.6 tons

My GV70 has a boost button that adds 50bhp but I can count on one hand the times I've used it as the car doesn't feel planted to the road when you enable it. It's stock power output of 435bhp is more than enough for the chassis!
 
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msmalls74 said:
I tend to use Eco mode 90% of the time on my ioniq 5, its the AWD but with 19s rather than 20s the ultimate version has. Over my 24k miles my average is 3.7 miles/Kw. I use sport mode when overtaking and normal getting on/off A roads/ motorway.
WRT to the power "problem" driving both the 405 and 740ish BHP IM5/6 the other week the 400 one was quicker than my ioniq 5, the 740 was a bit silly but having AWD is always my choice, just a shame many manufactures stick silly power on AWD vehicles where I would have preferred to have a 400hp AWD vehicle.
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I haven’t really used Eco mode yet. Tbh I pretty much just leave it in sport mode. It’s so cheap to charge im still saving a fortune compared to petrol costs even if not being overly careful about the economy.
 
Spent Friday/Saturday checking out cars. Ruled out a lot of them, mainly the Kia and Jeep for being a bit small for me.

Shortlist seems to be the MGS5 EV and the Skoda Elroq 60 with Advanced pack to get a decent spec.

The MG is definitely compelling. It's probably better specced and i much preferred the seats. It's also ~€5k cheaper and a much longer warranty. Slightly better range too and i can't justify another €5k to get the Elroq 85 given i need to spend €4k to get a decent spec on it. Neither car has a heatpump and i'm not bothered enough to add it as an option on the Skoda.

The Skoda looks a much nicer car and if it wasn't for that i doubt there'd be much of a decision. The MG is a better car in pretty much every way, except for perhaps reliability. It arguably feels nicer inside too and has more manual controls. I've tried to look at GFV values to see if the MG is more likely to plummet like a stone, but they're looking fairly similar which was a surprise.
 
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similar to others, I wouldn’t have bought the AWD model Y if the long range RWD was available at the time I took out the lease.

Now the issue is being used to a car with a 4.6 0-60, going back to a more sensible amount of power is going to be somewhat problematic.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
I haven’t really used Eco mode yet. Tbh I pretty much just leave it in sport mode. It’s so cheap to charge im still saving a fortune compared to petrol costs even if not being overly careful about the economy.
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I only use eco mode because it smooths out the power delivery on mine, feels a bit snatchy for around town in sports. Otherwise like you actual economy is not an issue because I'm home charging 99.9% of the time.
 
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Martynt74 said:
Spent Friday/Saturday checking out cars. Ruled out a lot of them, mainly the Kia and Jeep for being a bit small for me.

Shortlist seems to be the MGS5 EV and the Skoda Elroq 60 with Advanced pack to get a decent spec.

The MG is definitely compelling. It's probably better specced and i much preferred the seats. It's also ~€5k cheaper and a much longer warranty. Slightly better range too and i can't justify another €5k to get the Elroq 85 given i need to spend €4k to get a decent spec on it. Neither car has a heatpump and i'm not bothered enough to add it as an option on the Skoda.

The Skoda looks a much nicer car and if it wasn't for that i doubt there'd be much of a decision. The MG is a better car in pretty much every way, except for perhaps reliability. It arguably feels nicer inside too and has more manual controls. I've tried to look at GFV values to see if the MG is more likely to plummet like a stone, but they're looking fairly similar which was a surprise.
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I’ve got an Elroq 60 Edition, no packs if you have any questions happy to try and provide info.
 
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I’ve got an Elroq 60 Edition, no packs if you have any questions happy to try and provide info.
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Nice one. I’ve been eyeing up some of the “nearly new” options on their stock list.
The EV grants are still available if under 12 months old and so it feels like it might be the best of both worlds. Possibly the cheapest option and still a decent car.

Need to spend some time deciding how important certain features are. I really wanted electric seats as I’m 6’3 and my wife is 5’2 with a disability so if she gets in after me they’d make a big difference to adjusting position.

I’m also now eyeing up a couple used Tavascans. Buying an ex demo gets them into my price range and I love their looks. Even if they’re not massively practical.
 
My search to replace my RAV4 PHEV is still on. So far my experience with most dealers has not been great. They are either not interested when you say you have a shortlist of cars you are test driving or don't even come and talk to you in the showroom or plot.

My budget is £40,000 and criteria is a car big enough for a medium size dog and all that comes with that. Needs to take a towbar to carry my heavy ebike, rapid acceleration, fun, well built with nice interior and decent range 200 miles plus. So far dealers are non committal on a cars that can take an aftermarket tow bar.

I've had VW totally ignore me despite approaching sales staff asking for some assistance when they said I will send someone over but 30 minutes later they are still at their desk chatting to each other.

This week I've had:

Mini who had no idea if a towbar could be fitted to a Clubman Electric all4.

BMW who I told the two specific cars I wanted to test drive (IX1/2 and i4) said they had none available when I was stood right next to a used model and spec. They said we dont want people driving a used car unless they are going to buy it.

I arranged to view an Ioniq 5 and they day I was due to test drive it after my email it went up by £1,500. Again the manager said I have nobody free to talk about your part ex you will have to come back.

I used to enjoy the car buying experience!

That's me offloaded my irritation! (again)

Of the cars I have managed to take out Im finding some appear slower to accelerate than expected and their stats suggest. My wifes single motor Kona feels faster than the 0-60 time suggests.

The Polestar 2 single motor felt a little sluggish compared to the Kona. Weight playing a part? The Ioniq 5 dual motor felt on par with the single motor Kona but I thought it would feel more rapid.

I dont like the looks of the Tesla My (last years shape) but apart from not liking Musk It may tick the rest of my must haves...

Any other car suggestions that would fit my criteria?
 
jpaul said:
Spain Are the overnight charging rates in spain as good as uk - renault 4 with roll back roof might be nice for summer.
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It’s weird as seems very contract dependant. Some people have great tariffs from years ago and others less good that’ve signed up more recently.
 
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Now the issue is being used to a car with a 4.6 0-60, going back to a more sensible amount of power is going to be somewhat problematic.
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Do you ever get close to using that on the roads though?

I used to get it with ICE vehicles as it was always nice to have power in reserve. So if you wanted to get from 0-60 in, let's say 10 seconds, it was a much nicer experience driving a car that could do 0-60 in 7.5 seconds than one that could do it in 9.5 because one would have to be run pretty much ragged but the other has power in reserve, doesn't need to be revved out as much etc.

With EVs though the only difference to the scenario above is how far you push the go pedal down. There is no drama to using all the available performance so you can be more inclined to do so.

I think my Ashtray is, on paper, the quickest company car I've had. 0 - 60 a mediocre by today's standards 7.5s. The only time I ever pin the throttle is to overtake on single carriageway A roads. Now I don't get right up the chuff of the vehicle in front, not do I cut in the second my rear bumper clears the vehicle I'm overtaking but unless I remember to back off mid overtake I'm doing mid 80's by the time I pull in. I genuinely don't know why I would need more performance than that on the public roads.

Only full EV I've driven was a Corsa but 8.2s 0-60 felt fine. Especially as you can use as much of that performance as you like without and ICE whizzing away at 6000 rpm.

I guess like anything it becomes normal to have that acceleration on tap but even now I'm still amazed by EVs that seem to be able to teleport themselves into gaps from seemingly miles away in the blink of an eye.
 
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