Junior Doctors Strikes

As if letting any bugger play with a vague medical background play GP in the UK wasn't enough it looks like the plan is to farm out GP appointments overseas now:

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⚡ NHS England's 10 Year Plan recommended the workforce model we're building at Asterix Health ⚡ Here's what they had to say: " – , . , / ." The problem is clear: Workforce is stuck in a paradox. • GPs are overworked, cutting NHS sessions and 2/3 consider moving...
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May as well just set up a ChatGPT bot farm fielding patients calls at this point.
 
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I cancelled my last appointment for an opthalmic check up (in good time) having been signed off by the opticians after recent sight tests and scans. Thought to give somebody else the break. Did not really want to catch flu or covid either. Or take pity on the overworked orange beanies on the gate.
 
Minstadave said:
No signs of this being called off, Wes Streeting seems to be having a full on public meltdown, shame that.....
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I can't say I blame him really.

Reeves says there's no money to pay the doctors but has recently refused to pay up the £1bn required to cover the redundancies from NHS England instead demanding it be paid out of NHS funding :O (For those unaware NHS England is not a part of the English NHS, its a government department that the Tories named NHS England in the hope that when people read bad news about it they would assume it was the NHS screwing up and not the government, this is not a joke lol).
 
ubersonic said:
I can't say I blame him really.

Reeves says there's no money to pay the doctors but has recently refused to pay up the £1bn required to cover the redundancies from NHS England instead demanding it be paid out of NHS funding :O (For those unaware NHS England is not a part of the English NHS, its a government department that the Tories named NHS England in the hope that when people read bad news about it they would assume it was the NHS screwing up and not the government, this is not a joke lol).
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All governments form quangos, the current one is no exception.
 
Hagar said:
Don't tell me you don't want to be out on strike - because that is exactly where you are. Own it.'

Wes Streeting. LBC.

WELL SAID.
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He came across as a petulant school boy not getting his way.

Strikes are a tool, no one wants to strike, its just the only means Residents have to curtail the Government's actions.

Accusing the BMA of being a cartel is laughable, the NHS has been forcing down locum pay by forming regional cartels for years.

The BMA absolutely is representing Residents wishes, very few turned up here today. Trying to say its just a small core of activists is patently untrue.
 
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In fairness to Wes and the Labour government, the 1 year above inflation pay offer to doctors was reasonable.

I’m not clear what the case is for striking.

Hardly anyone’s income has kept up with inflation, doctors are not unique in this regard. If you genuinely think a 30% pay rise will ever be on the cards, I have a bridge to sell you.

ubersonic said:
I can't say I blame him really.

Reeves says there's no money to pay the doctors but has recently refused to pay up the £1bn required to cover the redundancies from NHS England instead demanding it be paid out of NHS funding :O (For those unaware NHS England is not a part of the English NHS, its a government department that the Tories named NHS England in the hope that when people read bad news about it they would assume it was the NHS screwing up and not the government, this is not a joke lol).
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Not sure that is true. I’m pretty sure NHS England comes out of the NHS budget.

DHSC gives NHS England the NHS budget, NHS England take out their slice and dish out the rest to commissioning groups/trusts around England.

The whole NHS is a massive quango, not just NHS England.
 
Minstadave said:
He came across as a petulant school boy not getting his way.

Strikes are a tool, no one wants to strike, its just the only means Residents have to curtail the Government's actions.

Accusing the BMA of being a cartel is laughable, the NHS has been forcing down locum pay by forming regional cartels for years.

The BMA absolutely is representing Residents wishes, very few turned up here today. Trying to say its just a small core of activists is patently untrue.
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Curtail the governments actions? You mean demand more money at the expense of everyone else.

If you don't think you earn enough and you can get more abroad, go abroad. And avoid tuition loans no doubt.
 
Hagar said:
Curtail the governments actions? You mean demand more money at the expense of everyone else.

If you don't think you earn enough and you can get more abroad, go abroad. And avoid tuition loans no doubt.
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Doctors work for a monopoly employer that uses their wages (more so than any other public sector worker) to balance the government's books and control inflation. For the vast majority of years I've been a doctor pay has fallen in real terms. I get why the Residents want to resist a subinflation pay rise and they have a right to IA.

"Just go overseas" doesnt cut it.

This could have all been sorted with a marginally better pay rise and some proper workforce planning measures that address the employment and training concerns.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
In fairness to Wes and the Labour government, the 1 year above inflation pay offer to doctors was reasonable.

I’m not clear what the case is for striking.

Hardly anyone’s income has kept up with inflation, doctors are not unique in this regard. If you genuinely think a 30% pay rise will ever be on the cards, I have a bridge to sell you.


Not sure that is true. I’m pretty sure NHS England comes out of the NHS budget.

DHSC gives NHS England the NHS budget, NHS England take out their slice and dish out the rest to commissioning groups/trusts around England.

The whole NHS is a massive quango, not just NHS England.
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They trying to revert a long term trend of what they consider below normal expected salary growth, but my opinion is, that should have been at the time of their growth been cut, backdating so far isnt realistic, that boat has sailed.

The only time I have seen such things happening is due to a legal requirement being forced on to the paying entity, and even then the amount of years is capped.

I also agree with Uther, its similar problem to tax cuts, you give what they want, but its never enough. The people asking always will want more.
 
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