How would pay per mile car tax work?
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is it normal hybrids or just plug in hybrids
Plug ins only, 1.5p per mile. More detail in the EV discussion thread as the changes are all related only to EVs or PHEVs.
Only for people not actually utilising the benefit of the electric bit of it, but using them like an ICE is already expensive anyway.
1.5p per mile is nothing in the grand scheme of things, if you're using a PHEV to best effect (i.e. mostly running on the EV side the drivetrain) you should be saving significantly more than that in fuel costs anyway.
That's not how the Mazda system i am interest in works, it pretty much always runs off petrol which powers the electric motors.
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My Pug 2008 GT Hybrid is rubbish, in 4000 miles it's average is 42.7mpg
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Sounds like a HEV not a PHEV then?
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No it's still a plug in. They call it a range extender hybrid. The petrol engine doesn't power the wheels it just charges the battery.
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For the purposes of running costs it doesn't really make a difference, you'd not be getting much benefit from Mazda 'R-EV' system if you weren't charging it as much as possible, just like any other PHEV - if you use a PHEV and are mostly relying on the petrol powered part, you're already missing out the benefits anyway, so this extra bit of tax is neither here nor there, the PHEV was probably not the right choice in the first place (BIK exploitation aside).
The point of the R-EV system like in the MX-30 is that you're typically expected to charge the battery to get your 50 miles of EV range and the petrol engine is there solely to support longer range trips - if you expected to use it 'always off petrol' then the running costs will already be garbage and you'd be better off with a regular 'self charging hybrid' or a normal ICE car anyway.
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Going forward it may be the only suitable option though if I can't buy a new diesel, fully electric would cost me insane money, can't charge at home.
If you can't really charge it, then you'd probably be better off with a normal type of petrol hybrid anyway, the MX-30 R-EV would have just as bad fuel efficiency as any other PHEV being used without external charging.
From what I understand because they're using a tiny engine with few moving parts it's a cheaper long term prospect. The engine runs at it's peak efficiency rpm all the time it doesn't need to change revs. Time will tell if the idea works in the real world but it looks promising.
The odd time I can charge it cheaply I can do so.
The only reviews i've seen that talk about it's efficiency when not charged suggest it can manage about 35mpg, which is dreadful really.
Indeed that wouldn't be great, so used to the 60-70mpg I get in my diesel
And on my 1,0 petrol picanto.
phev/m tax could be graduated anyway like current bik charges are, based on range ;
equally the 3p/m for even bevs has to be subject to revision, just a placeholder to initiate the more the more important q how will they capture the data,
meanwhile we'll see what eu does
equally the 3p/m for even bevs has to be subject to revision, just a placeholder to initiate the more the more important q how will they capture the data,
meanwhile we'll see what eu does
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Well it’s not graduated. And we don’t need to see what the EU do as we don’t live there.
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No one knows, not even the government.
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I've not actually done a comparison, but are hybrids much more economical than the ice equivalent? I realise that's possibly a "how longs a piece of string" type question, but I assume it depends on the type of hybrid (I've not looked at how they get the mpg figures).