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Yep I've had my "fill" of Amorim now. Especially so after Monday as that, if anyone was unclear, was the clearest display of ineptness you need to see.
Of course he must shoulder some of the responsibility but really the players on the pitch are often showing a lack of leadership. I think we have seen much poorer leadership from Bruno since his re-positioning. He doesn't play with the calm required to sort things out the way a strong captain would. I'd almost be tempted to give it to De Ligt. He is consistently our best player.

The players are a mix of dumb and inexperienced. Yoro has been dropped, made a couple of mistakes and now the forward momentum we saw from him has been dissipated. Its a confidence thing, Shaw just can't physically do it for 90 mins. Both those players needed to be stepping up on Monday as they were the spare guys and Everton only left 1 up.
I’m trying my best not to be Amorim out, otherwise I’ll be of a certain mindset before each game and it’ll ruin my enjoyment (if any?) I may get from watching!

I can’t see them getting rid anytime soon, unless it’s a losing streak of at least 6 games with players downing tools.
I think he's won the argument with Wilcox etc. This squad is 20-30% formed and still needs huge surgery. Cunha, Lammens and Mbeumo were a step forwards but thats three positions. I still think we need an CB, 2/3 central midfielders and 2 wing backs!
Basically, we will continue to have decent performances where Amorim's setup suits the opposition and circumstances. But where sides have us figured out we will continue to be absolutely dire and just bang our heads against the wall rather than make changes to suit the situation.
To be fair thats been the case for years unless we play Ole ball and counter attack. That type of football has a ceiling and it isn't League Champions (unless you are Leicester).

Where I will criticise Amorim is that he has persisted with things that are only partially working for too long. We all know Casemiro and Bruno doesn't work but that's all we are seeing for most of the games. Most of us know that Shaw is finished but he is ever present. He's also made his leadership group from players that aren't first choice - Dalot, Mazraoui, Heaton, Maguire, Martinez are not starters for one reason or another - so how can they be cohesive.

Bottom line is that players have for years shown they cannot follow instruction, don't have the smarts to adjust in game and treat off the ball effort as optional. He is trying to break that and they are proving very resistant. Personally I can't see how you can achieve what he wants with Casemiro and Bruno and sub optimal wingbacks.
 
I agree with Bruno but he should have been showed the door in summer he's never been captain material all I see him do is moan and throw tantrums yeah he might have moments in a game or have a decent game but more often than not he's average for me. Why can't amorin have a look at some youth talent sure we have 2-3 players in those positions worthy of a shot? At least they will show passion and give 100%
He’s contracted to 2027 and doesn’t want to leave….can’t just kick him out.

Also, I think the stick he gets is undeserved. He’s an emotional character on the pitch and I’d rather the less of it, but if you see him off the pitch it’s clear why he’s captain material, he’s a proper leader. Even little things like always making the effort to properly greet the social media crew on the way to training.

I don’t know who steps up to captain if slabhead isn’t starting. De Ligt, Casemiro (but he needs replacing anyway). Maybe Cunha.
 
I don't think Monday's game was even anything to do with tactics. Tactics mean nothing when you are playing against 10 men. The players simply didn't turn up. The mentality is extremely weak. International break was more like international holiday. Everton players simply wanted it more.
 
I don't think Monday's game was even anything to do with tactics. Tactics mean nothing when you are playing against 10 men. The players simply didn't turn up. The mentality is extremely weak. International break was more like international holiday. Everton players simply wanted it more.

Of course they mean something. Thats like saying tactics don't matter when you're playing against prime barca or against stoke.

Why wouldn't tactics against 10 men be important. You have a man over. You can commit more to the attack. You can perhaps not have 3 CBs defending nothing.
 
Of course they mean something. Thats like saying tactics don't matter when you're playing against prime barca or against stoke.

Why wouldn't tactics against 10 men be important. You have a man over. You can commit more to the attack. You can perhaps not have 3 CBs defending nothing.

The same reason why tactics didn't matter against Grimsby. You should be winning those games regardless. Yes tactics do matter but in games like that they are at the bottom of the list.

Cunha was a massive miss however.
 
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The same reason why tactics didn't matter against Grimsby. You should be winning those games regardless. Yes tactics do matter but in games like that they are at the bottom of the list.

Cunha was a massive miss however.

Adam, why was cunha a miss but tactics don't matter?

You do realise Cunha is the embodiment of a tactic right? a player who can play through a defense in a certain way... the same way tactics can allow you to... play through, around and work/stretch a compact defense if players are told do that and carry it out... :rolleyes:
 
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Adam, why was cunha a miss but tactics don't matter?

You do realise Cunha is the embodiment of a tactic right? a player who can play through a defense in a certain way... the same way tactics can allow you to... play through, around and work/stretch a compact defense if players are told do that and carry it out... :rolleyes:

Should still be beating 10 man Everton though. I was trying to put a positive spin on a rubbish situation.
 
Should still be beating 10 man Everton though. I was trying to put a positive spin on a rubbish situation.

You're disregarding the ability of Everton (and in particular a Moyes team) who will be at a minimum robust, compact and defensive.

Saying "we should beat 10 man Everton" is entirely the problem with lots of fans and probably subconsciously this squad... nobody has the right to beat anyone, and certainly not anyone in modern PL football where the tactical and technical ability/standard of every team is far beyond 90s football. It's moved gradually closer and close to american football in that tiny details of movements and tactics are becoming more and more the difference in who turns up on the day and wins.

This is Solsjaer and that moneyy man's mentality... that you just chuck stars on the pitch and that will win you games. Nonsense and will get more nonsensical.
 
He’s contracted to 2027 and doesn’t want to leave….can’t just kick him out.

Also, I think the stick he gets is undeserved. He’s an emotional character on the pitch and I’d rather the less of it, but if you see him off the pitch it’s clear why he’s captain material, he’s a proper leader. Even little things like always making the effort to properly greet the social media crew on the way to training.

I don’t know who steps up to captain if slabhead isn’t starting. De Ligt, Casemiro (but he needs replacing anyway). Maybe Cunha.
That offer should have been accepted for Bruno they has been times we look a better team without him i don't think we miss him as i said he has odd good game and odd good moments other than that hes average. Nah he is not captain material at all player make a mistake he moans and acts like a 6 year old.
 
As Calpol said, Utd can only play low block and counter attack, that’s why they tend to do ok against the better teams as they will attack them so the counter will work. Against teams that play a low block then they are lost and run out of ideas, you can let Utd have as much possession as they like as they won’t do anything with it and then they can get countered straight through the middle as Utds midfield will get over run and is cack.

As said a couple of CM and a left wing back is desperately needed, that way Utd won’t have to bypass the midfield by hoofing it long to the attackers. With a decent more attack minded wingback on the left I reckon we would see more of Cunha just like how Mbuemo links up well with Amad
 
You're disregarding the ability of Everton (and in particular a Moyes team) who will be at a minimum robust, compact and defensive.

Saying "we should beat 10 man Everton" is entirely the problem with lots of fans and probably subconsciously this squad... nobody has the right to beat anyone, and certainly not anyone in modern PL football where the tactical and technical ability/standard of every team is far beyond 90s football. It's moved gradually closer and close to american football in that tiny details of movements and tactics are becoming more and more the difference in who turns up on the day and wins.

This is Solsjaer and that moneyy man's mentality... that you just chuck stars on the pitch and that will win you games. Nonsense and will get more nonsensical.

In modern technical football the revenue's between Man Utd and teams like Everton are not even comparable. We should be beating them 10 men. Even if Moyes has them organised.

This is a non negotiable and should be the case. Otherwise what is the point of having a team with 3 times the revenue as Everton. The problem is now that Man Utd fans think being average is acceptable.
 
That offer should have been accepted for Bruno they has been times we look a better team without him i don't think we miss him as i said he has odd good game and odd good moments other than that hes average. Nah he is not captain material at all player make a mistake he moans and acts like a 6 year old.
Bruno turned it down and he’s under no obligation to leave if he doesn’t want to. We’re certainly not better without him until we get some quality fresh midfield players in.
 
In modern technical football the revenue's between Man Utd and teams like Everton are not even comparable. We should be beating them 10 men. Even if Moyes has them organised.

This is a non negotiable and should be the case. Otherwise what is the point of having a team with 3 times the revenue as Everton. The problem is now that Man Utd fans think being average is acceptable.
Define should.

Should, if the money was spent better or should with the players that were on the pitch?

Why should Zirkzee be scoring? He's crap. That's just what he is. He's also not a striker. Why should he be any different?

The club should not have wasted £1bn I agree. But that's where we are now. This team doesn't seem to be that good, especially without the new signings and this inflexible manager. Are you Amorim out? I think people need to clarify what they mean by should.

Accepting that the team is average/poor is not the same as thinking it's acceptable.
 
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That offer should have been accepted for Bruno they has been times we look a better team without him i don't think we miss him as i said he has odd good game and odd good moments other than that hes average. Nah he is not captain material at all player make a mistake he moans and acts like a 6 year old.

When exactly? Because every time he doesn't play we look beyond abysmal. Know the only game he didn't start this season? Grimsby. We were 2-0 down and getting destroyed when he came on and helped us turn it round and draw level. He then scored 2 pens in the shootout.
 
When exactly? Because every time he doesn't play we look beyond abysmal. Know the only game he didn't start this season? Grimsby. We were 2-0 down and getting destroyed when he came on and helped us turn it round and draw level. He then scored 2 pens in the shootout.
Bruno is not consistent enough no way near and amorin is frightened to death to sub him off
 
I don't think he is, we just don't have a replacement. I'm still waiting for you to let me know when we were better without him.
Granted it's not very often we play without him but they has been a few times we have started a game without him and played good football. Sorry I don't have dates and times on that.... Only one club was willing to offer silly money for him Saudi nobody else has gone in for him he wouldn't get a game in any other top 4 club in the league the form he's in.
 
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